I just came across your old posts. I think the photo Joe posted was mine. I think he may have died in the meantime. His family tree - which was quite nice, has been down for some time. He was in the photo in the back. My dad is a small child in it. Most of my older Grisdale family members are gone and I wish I had known to print out that tree. I only corresponded with him via email and don't think I ever met him. I will scan the photo again and post it online somewhere and let you know where it is via this message board. Maybe we can reconstruct the tree and find out if we are related? Joe was the illegitimate child of my grandfather Ernest Grisdale's brother. I think his name might have been Alfred Grisdale but can't remember.