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Re: Hermann/Hermanns/Barnhardt

Posted: 1363085635000
Classification: Query
Hi Tara...

Well, here's what I do; I don't always put a lot of stock on what is stated on Census's, draft registrations, etc. as far as "exact dates". There's just too many inconsistencies. So, for example, Emma claims she immigrated in 1908. Well, O.K., but I just don't totally trust it, so I search 1907 - 1909/10...

I've got many ancestors that just didn't seem to be so sure of when (or sometimes where) they were born! Seriously. Drives me nuts.

So, I search with a 1-5 year spread sometimes when it comes to dates, plus I try different spellings with names. Remember also, these people are [learning and] speaking English with a German accent too.....also, I worked for the US Census Bureau once, and I saw first hand how it was dealing with people sometimes (language barrier, can't remember, refuse to answer, guessing, etc.)

I'm not saying you're wrong on that passenger list you found, [or that I'm right], just that I read it differently - it may well be her, but maybe (?) this time it was just a trip to Germany and back to visit...but the other one I found kinda lines up with what you heard about her - that she probably came here without her parents. Yeah, maybe her Uncle went to Germany to get her and bring/escort her here and provided her a place to stay until she could get on her feet. Maybe her mother died and father was sick, or whatever, and she would have a better shot at life in the US - who knows?

But yeah, there's a reason why she (a young immigrant girl alone) would end up in the boonies of MN - like there was some family or family friend there, plus a German speaking community. And there's a reason why her and Fred married there too; there was a MN connection of some sort. [Didn't Fred's father die in MN 2 years after him and Emma were married?]

I found that "Emma Harrmann" in Staples (1910) by typing in 'Emma Herman', but being willing to look at alternate spellings for someone close in age, name, nationality, that was close to the Verndale area...(I use Google maps to get a grip on a particular area too).

[A LOT of my Foust ancestors are mis-transcribed here as 'Forest' - I've found several ancestors that way - by using the mis-transcribed spelling of their surname.]

Are you sure she came to the US via New York? Any chance she came in via Canada, Boston or Philly? Have you looked for passengers lists for those ports?

As for that particular passenger list I found, I'll have to try to find it again when I get home from work tonight, then I'll get back with you here.

My grandfather told me when I was a kid that his father came to the US [Boston] from Germany alone at age 14. It took me many months of searching before I finally found him; and sure enough, he did come alone at age 14 - and his last name was mis-transcribed. Eventually found his siblings too - they came alone also, and young. So, don't give up.

"How do I search for just a 1910 Census?" Well, I've done this a few times, and it IS time-consuming (and boring), but when I know that an ancestor was living in a certain area and I just can't find them by name (because it's probably been mis-transcribed), I search by district, then wade through every image for that district. Needless to say, easier to do for rural areas.

To use Verndale for example...I look it up on a map first to see what the surrounding areas are now. Then I start by choosing the Census year, then off to the right you pick what state, what county, then the districts show up. [Of course districts changed throughout the years also.] Then I begin the slow, agonizing process of going through each image in that district. I have found quite a few ancestors that way - and it was the only way I found some of them. :-(

And I'm NOT sure that it says "Varndal, Minn" on that passenger list I found - I may be seeing things! LOL! But yeah, one way to rule it in/out, would be to search 1900 or 1910 Verndale area Censuses, by image, for a man from Germany, that age range, with a name that looks similar to "Carotens Terlefs". {I really don't know what all to make of that name.}

More later tonight or tomorrow morning; I'll try to find that passenger list again for you.

Have a good day,
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