Coat of Arms & Heraldry - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Arenberg

gjks — 2019-10-03 00:56:50Z

There appears to be an anomaly with the spelling of the name - apparently it can be spelt ARENBERG and also AREMBERG. However, Riestaps Armorial General gives the surname as Aremberg and the blazon fits the arms image as well. The surname of Arenberg is a totally different coat of arms as you can see from the images below.The town of Arenberg/Aremberg coat of arms differs from those of the duchy in having a gold chief containing three Torteaux on top of the arms of the duchy.

Re: Arenberg

Aldo10 — 2019-09-30 15:36:42Z

Blazoning of the arms: "drei Mispelblüten (Rosen) auf rotem Grund" - Gules, three medlar-blossoms (roses), Or. "A" for Arenberg is engraved on the blade. Arms represent Arenberg, Count of the Empire 1547, Prince 1576, Duke (Herzog) 1644. The Duchy of Arenberg is located in the Rhineland-Palatine near Belgium. There is an Arenberg Foundation or Centre.

Re: Identifying coat of arms on sword, possibly German

gjks — 2019-09-20 00:35:44Z

I think that the first thing that you have to do is to initially compile a list of male surnames connected with that side of the family (the Aunt's) going back, at least, to the 18th century. From this list you will have a base from which to work and you should then examine the arms registered in those surnames and eliminate those that do not have arms recorded against that surname.

To do this you will have to get a genuine paternal pedigree for the Aunt's side of the family done dating back to the 1700s. If she was married, this would also include the husband's paternal pedigree.

Had the arms been of British origin, the task would have been much easier with the use of an 'ordinary of arms' (like 'Papworth's) to hone in on the actual design. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to enable this to be done with non-British (Continental) arms.

If/when you have that paternal pedigree of the Aunt's side of the family, perhaps you could share those surnames with us and we'll see what we can find for you.

If the arms shown follow the accepted hatchings for heraldic colours I think that the background of the shield would be red (Gules - vertical stripes) and from that fact the Roses should be either gold (Or) or silver (Argent).

Identifying coat of arms on sword, possibly German

JennyOH81 — 2019-09-19 00:25:19Z

My father in law recently gave my husband a sword that he had found in his aunt's house when she passed away. This aunt was the family collector and had many family keepsakes, so we think this sword was an ancestor's possession, not purchased as a collectible. The family mainly comes from Germany. It appears to be a German Imperial hunting sword - it is on the smaller side and the scabbard has an additional hilt for a knife. There is a coat of arms engraved on the blade and hilt of the sword that we have not been able to identify. It is an oval with three roses, supported by a lion and a griffin, with a crown and ermine lambrequin. Photos are attached. Many thanks in advance for any information!

Help identifying crest on signet ring

dra3_ancestry — 2019-09-04 22:19:03Z

Any ideas? Lion, thistle, fleur de lis, and no clue on my part.

Re: Help identifying crest on signet ring

dra3_ancestry — 2019-09-04 22:19:03Z

Thank you gjks! Your observations are greatly appreciated - and give me a foundation for further research.

Re: Help identifying crest on signet ring

dra3_ancestry — 2019-09-04 22:19:03Z

Hi Elphtree,

It is either a family piece - or one of the many things my grandfather found while metal detecting... so its always been a bit of a mystery. It is most likely British - it has a R stamped on in the inside with 750 inscribed next to it (Assuming British since 750 is the British method of marking jewelry as 18k (to the best of my knowledge)).

DRA

Re: Help identifying crest on signet ring

dra3_ancestry — 2019-09-04 22:19:03Z

Thank you elphtree! Your response is very helpful - it gives me insight into the timeline it was created - and verifies that this was a recent work, not an heirloom (from my own family), and could possibly be a vanity piece (faux crest) then something actually reflecting someone's family history (big assumption).

Crest authorized by the Vatican to a Swiss Guard?

gensearcher99 — 2019-08-27 20:46:48Z

I am attaching an image of a crest that I am researching.

The family surname is Arduser and the family was from
Switzerland.

On the back of the photograph there is a handwritten
note stating "Arduser crest - Authorized by the
Vatican to a Swiss Guard".

On the left of the crest is an image of a man perhaps
in a Swiss Guard uniform. There is a woman on the
right side plus several other human figures in the
bottom corners.

On the bottom it says "19 Die Arduser 07". I'm
assuming that 1907 is a date that has some
significance.

Could this be a photo of a crypt or tomb? Can anyone
suggest a way to get more information on all of this?

Re: Identifying the name on the seal?

wendyschnur — 2019-06-04 12:44:33Z

See reply here: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/topics.vintagejewelry/15/mb....

Identifying the name on the seal?

306cjw — 2019-06-03 13:09:43Z

Wondering if anyone can help identifying the inscription on this wax seal?

I'm told that it's 13th Century and British .

I'm not certain at all, but I think it could say:
"+ SIGILL WILLELOU • FIL??LW"

Which, I think, would be:
SIGILL = Latin for "seal"
WILLELOU = Norman for "William"? But really not sure about the end, especially the last 2 letters
FIL = Son of?
And the last bit throws me completely. Unfortunately it looks like their was damage to the seal and some letters are corroded. I've "google searched" Latin or Norman names or places that end with "W" and found nothing. I could well be wrong and it might be a different letter but I just can't see it.

Anyone have any idea or advice?

Re: Gauntlet and Flaming Sword Crest

gjks — 2019-02-22 12:37:44Z

Unfortunately, you have mentioned something that does not exist - <<... story about a family crest with a gauntlet and a flaming sword on it. >>

There isn't such a thing as a 'family crest'. Perhaps the conveyor of the information wasn't aware of this fact.

If the originator of the information really meant to say, "... story about a family shield (or Coat of Arms) with a gauntlet and a flaming sword on it", that's another matter entirely.

To me this is what the person meant to say when they referred to it as being 'on it' - they were describing a shield and not a crest.

Without any tinctures (heraldic colours, metals, furs, stains) mentioned it would be very hard to nail this one down. Do you have any further info that might help us?

To what were you referring when you said, "...but the current FLEMING crest " - what is meant by 'current' and 'Fleming crest'.

Re: Gauntlet and Flaming Sword Crest

britwall120 — 2019-02-21 01:02:21Z

Thank you for replying.

My notes only say 'family crest being a gauntledted hand and a flaming sword". I will check in Fairbairn's Crests as well.

I believe the Flemings are of English origin but may be of Scottish origin.

Re: Gauntlet and Flaming Sword Crest

davidbappleton13 — 2019-02-20 18:12:19Z

First, we need to know exactly what you want us to look for. Are the gauntlet and flaming sword on a shield (in which case, it is a "coat of arms"), or are they placed on a wreath (a "torse") above the shield, perhaps atop a helmet (in which case, it is a "crest")? Which of these it is supposed to be will help determine where are the best places to look.

All that said, a gauntlet holding a sword (flaming or not) sounds more like a crest than it does a coat of arms, in which case the first place to look would be a book called Fairbairn's "Crests".

Looking in Fairbairn, there are number of different crests listed for various Fleming families. Most are goat's heads, but one, "Fleming, Eng. and Wel.," has "A hand gauntleted holding a sword proper." See the attached .jpg ("Proper" means that the gauntlet is colored silver or white, and the sword has a gold hilt and quillons and a silver blade.)

I did not find any crests in Fairbairn where the sword was flaming.

I hope that this information is helpful.

David

Gauntlet and Flaming Sword Crest

britwall120 — 2019-02-19 23:30:41Z

There is a family story about a family crest with a gauntlet and a flaming sword on it. The family in the story is FLEMING but the current FLEMING crest does not look like a gauntlet or flaming sword. Is there a reliable resource for searching for old crests? Or can someone tell me about a crest with a gauntlet and flaming sword?

Thanks!

Re: Burkes General Armory Book

famhist113 — 2019-02-05 18:58:36Z

Burke's General Armory is a useful tool but its contents should be taken with a pitch of salt. Generally, the more biographical detail there is, the greater the chance that the details are accurate. However, whilst researching a couple of possible family connections I have subsequently found that the details were incorrect.

The "library plaque" is usually called a bookplate. A quick Google search pulls up quite a bit about John William Morkill.

Re: Burkes General Armory Book

cpcoan13 — 2018-11-09 00:29:17Z

Thank you for the response.

By all appearances it looks to be the original (second) addition published in 1884 with the supplement. (only date or number on the info./ printers page is 1884) The cover is maroon fabric over board with embossed gilt lettering. Its approximately 3 1/2 inches thick and has advertisements in the back .

Also thanks for letting me know about the online version and that its a good reference book. I'll add it to my library shelf and read it online until I have it restored.

Re: Burkes General Armory Book

gjks — 2018-11-08 23:32:58Z

If it is an original (second) edition it might be worth something to a collector. It is the standard reference book for British armory. It was first published in 1842 and the second edition (1884) contains a supplement . Modern available copies of the 1884 edition are now quite prolific and you can even get it as an e-Book.

Re: Seefeldt Coat of Arms

bonnielass55 — 2018-07-24 20:28:30Z

I have just noticed this message having not been on Ancestry for a while. Since I have been investigating my family tree for a few years now, I have traced my ancestors back to the 17th century. Original spelling of the name was Seefeld, my Great, great Grandfather Johann Seefeld in 1826 but his son has the Seefeldt spelling. My ancestors lived in Prussia, Menkin, Trampe, Gross Sperrenwalde. There is a Toerring-Seefeld Castle, I believe it was back in the 13th century I think when it was called Seefeld Castle.

Re: McGuire family crest

gjks — 2017-12-09 23:02:14Z

Where to buy what?

Re: Crest/Coat of Arms

gjks — 2018-09-29 23:19:57Z

<< I am looking for an actual photo of this >>
You already have a photo of it posted here.

The arms do not appear in Riestap's Armorial General. From looking at your photo, it would appear that the shield would be yellow (Or) and the likelihood of the base of the shield being either green (Vert) or black (Sable). The crest wing feathers appear to be gold (Or). The tincture of the horse is unable to be ascertained but it could be any one of black (Sable), blue (Azure), red (Gules), green (Vert) or purple (Purpure).
I cannot find the arms listed in the Siebmacher's volumes either. Can you advise just where your paternal family were located in Europe as it may be useful in trying to do any further research on their arms.

Re: Locke Coat of Arms

gjks — 2017-11-25 00:45:10Z

The originally posted image is not of a Crest, but of a Coat of Arms (armorial achievement) The Crest, as the name implies, is the item that goes at the top (on top of the helmet).
Extracts in attachment, with comments.

Re: Locke Coat of Arms

Armando_Framarini — 2017-11-21 23:42:59Z

The same arms of von Lucke/von Lucken family from Silisea (a region of Central Europe located mostly in Poland, with small parts in the Czech Republic and Germany).

Note french translation of crest (confusion of pyramidal style hat versus a pointed cap)

Re: Locke Coat of Arms

Armando_Framarini — 2017-11-20 02:39:04Z

That is the Locke Family Coat of Arms from Prussia as recorded in Rietstap's Armorial General. Do you trace back your Locke back to Prussia?

Re: Crest/Coat of Arms

Armando_Framarini — 2018-10-10 10:59:13Z

gg grandfather Cornelis Buijs
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/31945084

ggg grandfather Jacob Dirks Buijs
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/31920228

Arm: gold field with brown/natural color springing horse on green ground
Wapen: in goud een springend bruin paard op groene grond.

Similar to family arms of Hesse family of Friesland
Note: Horse may be Silver/ (Zilver paard?)

Re: Dutch Coat of arms Schaap

Armando_Framarini — 2018-03-01 13:33:59Z

Quarters 1 and 4 belong to the SCHAAP/SCHAEP/SCHAP family from Amsterdam. Quarters 2 and 3 may give clues to lineage

Go to this DUTCH link: http://cbgfamiliewapens.nl/databank/indeling/detail/start/4?...

Re: The Arms of the last Chief of Clan Maciver

amjecampbell — 2018-10-24 22:41:11Z

If you want to read all about the MacIver Campbell of Asknish family you should read 'The Troubled Laird,' the biography of Duncan MacIver Campbell (available on Amazon kindle) and you will find out what happened to this lineage - spoiler alert - it continued on after Sir Humphrey Trafford Campbell.

Re: Seefeldt Coat of Arms

davidbappleton13 — 2018-07-28 21:39:06Z

I wouldn't worry overmuch about the difference between the Seefeld and Seefeldt spellings; it seems to be fairly common in German. (I have something similar in one of the lines of my family, where different generations of the same family are spelled Lischett and Lischedt in the records from the Heidelberg area.)

The coat of arms that you have, however, appear to have been borne by the Seefeldt family of Denmark. I have attached a .jpg of the three Seefeldt coats of arms from Rietstap's "Armorial Général" as drawn by Rolland and Rolland. The horizontal lines on the wide horizontal stripe mean that it should be colored blue, while everything else is white.

I suspect that some provider of "your family coat of arms" simply took this Danish Seefeldt coat and sold it to your grandparents. (This is not a new thing; I have examples of exactly this sort of "borrowing" one family's coat of arms to sell to another family with the same or similar surname back in pre-Revolutionary War Boston, Massachusetts.)

David

Re: Maynard/O'Byrne Coat of Arms

davidbappleton13 — 2018-01-13 23:13:31Z

There very well may be, but without knowing more of the history of the families who bear these arms, it may be very hard to determine what that reason is.

For Maynard and Hand, the arms are "canting;" that is, they contain pun on the surname. "Main" is French for "hand" (see, e.g., "main gauche," a parrying weapon held in the "left hand"); "Hand," of course, is more obvious in English.

David

Re: Locke Coat of Arms

davidbappleton13 — 2017-11-21 17:27:15Z

As Armando noted already, the arms are those of Locke from Prussia. Attached is the entry from Rietstap's Armorial Général for these arms, giving the blazon of the shield and the crest in French.

David

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

elphtree — 2017-04-20 14:07:17Z

As the arms mentioned in Croziers under the name of Stephen Bull of Ashley Hall with the date 1669 match those in the pedigree of 1682, it may be that these are the arms of that Stephen Bull and his descendants.
This is the Stephen Bull born 1635 in Coleshill Warwickshire son of Josyas Bull of Kingsherst.
If he was already in America by 1669 it would explain why he is not in the Visitation of Warwickshire.
However, since the Declaration of Independence was not signed until 1776, if this is a legal grant, the details should be at the College of Arms, London.

To be factually correct for your client, you need to write to the Herald in Waiting at the College of Arms for details of the grant if it exists and who was entitled to the arms.

This will cost money as the Heralds charge a fee for looking up such information.

The details of the grant will tell you who was entitled to use that coat of arms, if it states the descendants of Stephen Bull, it will be the direct male line ONLY, if he had sons who survived, and their descendants downwards ONLY.
If the grant states that the arms were granted to Stephen and all the descendants of his father Josyas, his brothers and their descendants will be able to use it.
But not his father, or uncles, or cousins or their descendants.
No man who died before the date of the grant will be able to use them.

If it turns out that this is a legally granted coat of arms in 1669, the living descendants still need to prove their right to use the arms with primary source evidence, to the satisfaction of two Heralds, for which they will charge a fee. Only then will the descendants of Stephen Bull of Ashley Hall South Carolina, born in Coleshill, Warwickshire have the legal right to use that coat of arms, and sue anybody else who is found using them !

I wish you the best of luck

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

elphtree — 2017-04-09 13:47:38Z

Here's what I found.

But, I still have not been able to find a date of grant or note of confirmation from the College of Arms.

In order that a man can legally use a coat of arms they must first be confirmed by the College of Arms London if these arms were granted in England

As I've said, I could not find this coat of arms in the Visitation of Warwickshire.

For as long as there have been coats of arms, there have unscrupulous people willing to make up or slightly change someone else's coat of arms and sell them to someone else, it still goes on today. Even the Lumley Earl of Scarborough's arms were treated like that and illegally sold to an American citizen, with no evidence of the American's entitlement (he wasn't entitled) My friend the senior herald knows the Earl personally.

I found a baptism of a Stephen Bull son of Josyas Bull of Kingshurst 30 Nov 1635 in Coleshill, Warwickshire , the image is on Ancestry. His mother's name is not given.

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

elphtree — 2017-04-08 22:28:26Z

PS, gules is red, argent is silver, or is gold.

There is no evidence in the public domain that this coat of arms is legitimate, this has to be checked with the College of Arms, London

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

elphtree — 2017-04-08 22:22:51Z

second image

Re: "Certum pete finem"

elphtree — 2017-05-06 10:36:55Z

Like so many others I'm afraid.

It would be nice if Ancestry made more of this problem, and warned people prominently on the websites that there is no such thing as "your family coat of arms/crest"

This would save a lot of people a lot of money.

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

elphtree — 2017-04-07 10:02:10Z

I have found in a book " Pedigrees selected from the Visitation of Warwickshire 1682", but which has a WARNING after the image of the arms, " Taken from a paper pedigree drawn by Mr Adams of Ludlow 1620, which is all I find for the Justifying of the Bearing".
so the author found NO evidence of grant or confirmation of the right to bear a coat of arms. I could not find the pedigree in the published Visitation of Warwickshire.
The pedigree starts with William Bull of Sheldon Hall who died 1635 and is buried in Coleshill, his son Josias Bull of Kingshurst Hall, attorney at law, died 1671 having married Katherine, the daughter of Stephen Agard. Josias is quoted as having 5 siblings.
Josias and Katherine are quoted as having:-
sons,
Clement aged 24 in 1682, went to the East Indies
Burnaby aged 31 in 1682, went to Carolina
Digby aged 33 in 1682 lived in Coleshill, Warwickshire, England
William aged 44 in 1682 lived at Kingshurst Hall (as tenant) married Anne daughter of Edward Birch
Josias aged 43 in 1682 an Ironmonger in London, England
Richard aged 39 in 1682 at Maxstock Priory, England
John aged 38 in 1682 a miliner in London, England

and DAUGHTERS

Agard, a packer in London, died 1680 in London, England, married John Mantrel and had 2 daughters and a son
Susanna aged 47 in 1682, and unmarried
Mary aged 41 in 1682 married Jeremiah Web an apothecary in London, England
Letice aged 39 in 1682 married Sam Dale a silk weaver in London, England
Catherine, deceased before 1682
Gooditha unmarried in 1682

So this pedigree and coat of arms is in question and needs backing up with first degree evidence of birth, marriage , death, and the grant of arms needs checking at the College of Arms before it can be claimed.

Agard was a girl, and there are no descendants of Josias and Katherine named Stephen.

The top of this pedigree is confirmed in the Indenture of mortgage listed on the National Archives index held at Birmingham Archives, Ref No MS 3888/A 1576

I have an image of the arms if you want it, it is nothing like any of those I have seen so far or those described in Gentlemen of Coat Armour 1929

I hope this helps.

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

elphtree — 2017-04-06 09:30:42Z

Do you have a date of grant, details of the grant and the details of who was entitled from the original patent of arms?, or a confirmation from the College of Arms London?, if they were granted to men of Middlesex or Buckinghamshire?
If you don't have that confirmation, you cannot state that that family had a legal coat of arms.
Even with the family owning the original grant of arms you will still need a confirmation from the College of Arms that the modern family are entitled and the pedigree updated in London, with first degree evidence all the way back to the last person to whom the arms were confirmed, which will be checked by two senior Heralds,, before any person can legally use them.
The College of Arms only accept personal knowledge back to a man's grandfather, after that they require first degree evidence
Being an Oxford Alumni does confer an automatic right to arms, a man would still have to petition for arms and be granted them by the Earl Marshal, on behalf of the monarch.
The names I gave you are the only ones in Gentlemen of Coat Armour who were found to be entitled to arms in 1929 with the name Bull. The family you are researching are either not armigerous or the armigerous line had probably died out.
To be legally correct concerning who are/were entitled to arms you should contact the College of Arms addressing your query to The Herald in Waiting.
I recommend that you read "The Right to Bear Arms" by A C Fox-Davies, or "The Oxford Guide to Heraldry by Thomas Woodcock, he wrote it when he was Somerset Herald, he is now Garter King of Arms.
I have a Harlein Society copy of the Buckinghamshire Visitations and the Middlesex Visitations, but as I said previously, the published versions have been heavily edited in the past in places during Victorian times when people were as desperate to have arms and edited the visitations as they are now and buy and illegally use arms bought from the "Buy your family arms" brigade, (no such thing, it's a scam)
The records of the College of Arms are not on line.
I'll have a look and get back to you.

Re: Dutch Coat of arms

elphtree — 2018-02-21 12:16:28Z

Logically the impaled arms should be those of Schape for John Affleck's wife, but his parents were Thomas Affleck and Ann, daughter of Matthias Petersen of Ocland, Sweden, according to this website

http://landedfamilies.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/50-affleck-of-d...

Here's the entry in the 7th edition of Gentlemen of Coat Armour, A C Fox-Davies 1929 for Affleck of Dalham

The date of 1899 should be the date the arms were confirmed to another generation.

No image I'm afraid.

Fox-Davies does not mention the Dutch family I'm afraid, or the Swedish and the pedigree does not go back that far in this edition, the family are not mentioned at all in the 3rd edition.

Re: Trenholm Coat of Arms - North Yorkshire, England

13confido — 2018-09-24 03:50:07Z

Hello Laura

This board is not for Genealogy, bur rather Heraldry. If you are seeking genealogical information regarding the Armigers who earned Heraldic Arms, you will find there is a Trenholm surname board. At this time, the tools available for this message board will not allow me to transfer your message to the surname board. I suggest you post your query on that board.

Coat of Arms Help!!!!!!!!

nickmgombash — 2018-05-29 20:32:49Z

I need help locating a Rodgers, Gombas, and a Stuempges coat of arms...i have no clue where to look or what the look like. Some one please help!!!! please email me at nck200486@yahoo.com. thanks
nick gombash

Re: Coat of Arms Help!!!!!!!!

nickmgombash — 2018-05-29 20:32:49Z

rodgers is english...stuempges is german...gombas is hungarian...

Trenholm Coat of Arms - North Yorkshire, England

lauramitchell1219 — 2018-09-24 03:37:33Z

Hi all,

I just discovered that I am from a line of Trenholms of Yorkshire, England, who had a coat of arms. I don’t know anything about this part of my family history - but there was a John Trenholm V “New Brunswick” and his father Robert Trenholm Sr. “Yorkshire”. Any information appreciated.

Re: Bull family Coat of Arms

Mert_fox — 2017-04-07 15:02:17Z

I have read the reference as well. At Ashley Hall here in Charleston, SC there is a monument erected to William Bull II. There is suppose to be a crest engraved thereon. I have yet to obtain a rendering. William had in his possession a silver plate with the crest bequeathed to him by his father William I who received from his father Stephen Bull - first Bull immigrant to South Carolina. Any image from you at this point would assist in filling in the gaps. (proven or not proven). Thank you for providing the information. It is making my task a bit less stressful..

Re: "Certum pete finem"

Pauline_Welton — 2017-05-06 03:33:44Z

Goodness, I had no idea this thread was still going. Yes, since 2015 - I do apologise, seems my father who was 'heraldic naive' had his money gouged from a 'bucket shop'.

Dutch Coat of arms

306cjw — 2018-02-19 17:23:05Z

I can't quite make it out but the black and white half of the arms of John Affleck of Dalham Hall. The impaled arms must be those of his wife Neeltje (née Schape, of Amsterdam) 1663-1729. They were the parents of Gilbert Affleck, MP and grandparents of the first two Affleck Baronets of Dalham Hall.

Does anybody recognise the impaled arms. Either what they would actually be, or who they would belong to? I'm guessing they would be Dutch Burgher Arms of Neeltje's father Gilbert a merchant.

Burkes General Armory Book

cpcoan13 — 2018-11-08 05:32:12Z

I recently was given some old books which included "Burkes General Armory".
The book was printed in 1884.
I'm wondering if this is considered a reliable book or just a novelty from that time.
The cover is very fragile so I have been afraid to read it. I'm hoping someone knows whether it would be worth it to have it professionally restored or do I just enjoy it and not worry about any further damage to it .

as a side note: inside is a library plaque (I think that is what it is called) that says "John William Morkill ".

McGuire family crest

ed_f_mcguire — 2017-12-09 17:38:20Z

where to buy

Maynard/O'Byrne Coat of Arms

john_maynardjr — 2018-01-13 03:11:38Z

Is there a reason these two are alike. Also the Hand CoA is very similar.

v/r
John

Locke Coat of Arms

1_andrew_locke — 2017-11-19 19:15:03Z

See attached. This is my Family's Coat of Arms. Years ago I found information on it in an old book and photocopied the page....which I lost. The book was considered the premier authority. Cannot believe I cannot find info on it online. I remember it being originally in French or maybe Latin. Anyway, can anyone help me find this book, or help me find information on the crest?

Crest/Coat of Arms

jbuijs24 — 2018-09-27 10:06:18Z

My fathers ring.I am looking for an actual photo of this.As to see the details in the engraving.
Father:Jan Buijs b;6.16.20 d;7.6.82
Grandfather;Gerrit Buijs
Great grandfather; Jorvis Buijs

That's all I've got.