Hi Liz, Thank you for your reply, I was amazed to receive one so quickly. I'm looking at the family tree I have, so many Karen's! Do you mean your husband's great grandfather was Lars and Eli's son Karl b1861-d1933 (later Charles). He has a sister called Karen on the tree, and would also then be the youngest brother of Hans, my great great grandfather. Hans and his wife, Karen came to NZ on the first boat. I know some other of Han's relative's including mother Eli came several years later.