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Elizabeth C Lumsden Kitchens Brooks parents error research

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Elizabeth C Lumsden Kitchens Brooks parents error research

Posted: 1237733252000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Lumsden Belcher Tucker Thurman Kitchens Brooks
I am trying to clear up and problem I have with my Lumsden ancestry in order to get my DAR application corrected and approved.
This is a very complicated family to research. Alot of 2nd marriages, no 1890 census, no Sucession or Will of Jesse M Lumsden
and Julia, no death certificates for 1880 or 1881 in Arkansas, no cemetery record found, so far no school records
of these Lumsden's in Jasper co GA.

I have been lead to believe my ancestor Elizabeth was the dgt of Jeremiah and Malinda Thurman Lumsden until NOW.
I need documentation of the children of Jesse M. Lumsden who married Julia Tucker or at least someone who
has proof that their ancestor was a sibling of this Elizabeth Lumsden or neice / nephew. I am including my
research in this quest in hopes someone can help me. The book by Virginia Preston does NOT help in this
mystery. I also do not of any proof of this same Elizabeth's death date or location just the fact that her 2nd
husband James O. Brooks stated on the 1900 Lamar Co TX census his marriage to wife Julia had been for 19 years (1881)
she must have died (maybe in childbirth) right after that census. Do not know when this 'yours, mine, & ours family
of Kitchens' and Brooks' moved to Texas nor the route they took (?thru Ark and Oklahoma).
James O. Brooks is listed in the Mahoney's Directory of Farmers and Merchants in the 1893/94 Edition vol 8 & 9 page 89. Some
of the Kitchens and some of the Brooks' kids stayed in AR and married there. Julia L. Kitchens married there July 1883 in Newport,
Jackson Co AR. She and A J have a large family and theydo move about AR / TX / OK visiting relatives. My ancestor,
Henry Lee Obediah Kitchens marries 1st Mary K. Redden in 1882 in Izard Co AR but it doesn't last very long then re marries to
Laura Clementine Gray in Independence Co AR (found the marriage not filed by MG) and they re marry in Paris, Lamar Co TX in 1896.
Would like to know WHY James O. Brooks is buried in Shoals Cemetery, Choctaw Co OK instead of Lamar Co TX where he
died Nov 17, 1905. Maybe they lived there after leaving Arkansas and before heading south to Paris Lamar Co TX.
We do not know what came of Charles S. or A. Kitchens / ? Brooks. I thought I had found Martha Brooks married to a
John F. West but a man emailed me that Brooks was not his wife's last name. She names kids Malinda B., James William,
Jesse Franklin. Familiar first names. Still seems as though this was her.

Jeremiah Lumsden and Elizabeth Belcher sons were John, Jeremiah C., Charles W. (died in 1815) and Jesse M.
Jeremiah C. and Jesse M. were executors of their father's estate. All 3 sons named a dgt Elizabeth. John's dgt Elizabeth was born
1813, Jeremiah's abt 1829, and Jesse M.'s Jan. 16, 1830. Jesse's dgt Elizabeth's birthdate is listed in Lumsden family bible and
I don't see in that bible listing the children of Jeremiah C. and Malinda Lumsden.

A Glenn M. Williams of 1998 Cherrywood St.,Vista CA 92083 ( submitted to the Church of Jesus Christ the
Latter-day Saints an Ancestral File (AF92-102263) in which he entered this Elizabeth dgt of Jeremiah and Malinda as the Elizabeth
who married Charles B. Kitchens. I would like to be in contact with someone who has access to Glenn's mother's research.

I exchanged emails with him regarding this marriage on August 3, 1998 (wish we had talked abt proof of her parents) in which his reply was:

"I have researched my files and the only place I could have gotten the dates and place of marriage for Elizabeth Lumsden and
Charles B. Kitchens would have been three place.
a. The county records of Newton Co GA.
b. A book on early Georgia Marriages
c. From a Lumsden family member. The most likely is Jerry Lumsden in Muleshoe TX. I have never bet Jerry but my mother
did. She is now deceased and I have no address for Jerry now. Her records are still in storage and I can't get to them until
her estate is settled. Jerry is probably a g g grandson of Jeremiah from Newton co. For three generations the Jeremiah
Lumsdens were Methodist preachers. The first ordained in Virginia. The last buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery in Wise Co TX
in 1910. (He would be a brother of Elizabeth's).
I will keep searching and would appreciate any more info you may have.
I have since found that this Glenn has died, SSDI Glenn M. Williams born Feb 16 1930 died Jan 17, 2001 Vista CA 92083
however there is a phone number listed online for a Glenn M. Williams in Spring Valley CA and none listed in Vista CA.

Jesse M. Lumden born June 24, 1781 m. March 22, 1829 Jasper Co GA Julia B. Tucker born Sept 26, 1808
Jeremiah C. Lumsden born Oct 4, 1796 m. Jan 29, 1821 Jasper Co GA to Malinda Thurman b 1798

Jasper Co GA page 395 next door to the other
Jeremiah Lumsden ---1-----1/11-1-1---1
Jasper Co GA Jesse M. ----1/1---1
Newton Co GA Jeremiah C. Lumsden (looks like Jersimin) 22--11/--1---1

Jasper Co GA Jesse M. Lumsden 11---1/111--1
Butts Co GA J C Lumsden 2112--1/--11--1

1840, 1850 and 1860 Newton Co GA, Benjamin E. Kitchens, the father of Charles B. Kitchens,
this Kitchens family was from Glascock and Warren Co GA

Jasper Co GA 766 Madison Tucker 24 M
Emiline 20 F
William 2
767 Jsse Lumsden 47
Julia 42 F
Elizabeth 21 F
Laney 17 F
William 15 M
Elender 14 F
Elijha 11 M
768 Elender Lumsden 57 F
769 Mary Belcher 66 F
Elizabeth Garrel 20 F

Butts Co GA Jeremiah Lumsden 59 m
Malinda 52 f GA
Jeremiah 21 m
Elizabeth 20 f
Richard 17 m
Franklin 15 m
Obadiah 11 m
Thomas 9 m
James Thurman 45 m

Jeremiah dies on Sept 2, 1856 in Butts Co GA

Charles B. Kitchens marries Elizabeth C. Lumsden December 15, 1858 In Newton Co GA

Cherokee Co AL Lunsdale Malinda M. 62 GA
Elizabeth 29 f
Obadiah 20 m
Thomas 19 m

Newton Co GA Tumsden J M 58 m
house 9 Julia B. 51 f
William 23 m
Elijah J. 20 m

Kitchens, B E (this is Father of Charles B.)
Mary Ann
Thomas J.
Eliz. H.
James B H

Newton Co GA Covington, Kitchens, C. B. 20
Elizabeth 30,
Martha F. 3/12
Martha must have died as she is not in the 1870 but Elizabeth and J O Brooks name a child in her memory


Cleburn Co AL Lumsdell, Malinda 72 f GA
Elizabeth 36 f
Toba 30 m
Walton Co GA Lumsden J. M. 67m
B. Z. 64 f (should be a J instead of a Z)
Wiliam 36 m
E. J. 31 m

Newton Co., Covington GA Kichens, Elizabeth C. 40 seamstress b GA
Julia L. 8
Felemmia E. 8
Henry Lee 6
Charles S or A 4 (initial re written over)
( There must have been a divorce not yet located and family handed down family story is Charles abandoned Elizabeth
at end of civil war when he didn't return to her. Maybe this child Charles S. or A. wasn't his but James O Brooks is
and this caused the problem. Charles was in the 3rd GA Vol Inf Co H. Newton Co GA Young Guards and prob stayed nearby during war.)

Tarrant Co TX Kitchens Charles B. and new wife names Julia A. Brannon he married in 1867 Glascock co GA and are listed
in census there with a few children. His family moves around that part of Texas then into Oklahoma a few places and he
dies in the Hart Pontotoc co Ok area and is buried at Hart Cemetery in that county. He was listed in OK as a CSA veteran in
the 3rd Ga Vol Inf Co H.

Newton Co GA Covington Brooks, James O. 32 retail Grocer b GA,
Isaac N. 12,
Georgia Ann 10,
James T. 5,
Wm O. 2
Jesse M. Lumsden dies as listed in the Virginia Preston book on Mary 26, 1878


Newton Co GA Lumsden Julia 72 f
William 45

Independence Co AR house 316
Brooks, James O., 43 GA
, Elizabeth C. 48 GA
Kitchins, Julia L. 18 step dgt GA
Brooks, James T. 14 son GA
Kitchins, Charles A. 14 son GA (step son was written then struck out)
Brooks, William O. 12 son GA
Brooks, Jessie 7 son AR
Brooks, Martha 6 dgt AR
next door at house 317
Magness, Joseph 31 m
Nancy J. 33
& their kids listed
Kitchens, Obedia 16 works on farm b GA (this is Henry Lee Obediah)

Arkansas death certificate 1938 of Henry Lee Obediah "Obe" Kitchens has as his mother's name "E. Clingham" but person writting
first wrote Georgia in place of firstname but then re wrote over it. Georgia was probably for birthstate and written on wrong line
and did put Charles Kitchens has his dad.

So, I conclude that Elizabeth, dgt of Jeremiah C. and Malinda Thurman Lumsden cannot be the Elizabeth that married Charles B. Kitchens, as she
is with C B in the 1860 and by herself with kids in the 1870) but rather the dgt of Jesse M. and Julia Tucker Lumsden mostly due to the fact that
Malinda's dgt Elizabeth is living with her in the 1860 Cherokee Co AL census and the 1870 Cleburn Co AL census. Elizabeth C. Lumsden Kitchens names
a dgt Julia L., a son Henry Lee Obediah (?named for Obediah Belcher), a son Jesse. Other Lumsden first names used were Sarah (dgt by dgt Julia L. &
Franklin L.son by dgt Julia before her marriage to A J Soward), Charles S. or A. is unknown.

If any one has ANYTHING to add or correct, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT or

Cheryl Governale

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