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Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1278779004000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Butler, Poindexter, Krise
Trying to figure out the relationship between David T. Butler,an Elizabeth or Martha Jane Poiondexter and Angelina Krise. Family lore has David 's first wife as a Poindexter. I have one document that shows his wife as being an Elizabeth Poindexter. But, Louisa County marriages show David T. married a Martha Jane Poindexter c. 1842. His second wife is listed on documents as Angelina Krise. Elizabeth/Martha Jane and Angelina are supposed to have been sisters? David and Angelina eventually moved to Scottsville, Va and they are buried there. David and 1st wife had two or three children, Robert L., Sarah Elizabeth and Martha Jane.

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1278791927000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Poindexter, Butler, May, Landrum, Gooch, Jones, Ogg, Krise
Martha Jane POINDEXTER was the daughter of Charles M. POINDEXTER, born circa 1768 in Louisa, Virginia Colony, died after 13 November 1851 (when his will was signed - probated 18 December 1851) in Louisa County, Virginia, USA and married 7 January 11793 to Sarah MAY, born circa 1776 in Virginia, died before 1850.

Following is the will of Charles M. POINDEXTER:

In the name of God Amen I Charley M. Poindexter of the coumty of Louisa and the State of Virginia of sound mind and Deposing memory do hereby declare and publish this writing to be my last will and testament hereby revoking and annulling all other wills heretofore written or made by me.
First I desire that all my just debts and funeral expenses shall be paid.
Secondly I desire that the bonds which been executed to me by any of my children, with interest on each from the date of its execution, shall be accounted to my executor hereinafter named by my said children who have so executed said bonds, in the final distribution of my estate, as so much of their legacies respectively.
Thirdly It is my will and desire that my executor hereinafter named shall be trusted to hold in trust ....... sale and seperate use of my daughter Mary Landrum, free from any claim, debt or demand of her husband Lewis Landrum, or any future husband, the sum of five hundred dollars ($500.00) for and during her material life. The said trustee to pay to my said daughter, Mary Landrum legal interest on the said sum annually. At her death the said sum of $500.00 is to be disposed of by the trustee aforesaid in the manner hereinafter provided. Neither my said daughter Mary Landrum nor her issue is to have any further interest in my estate.
Fourthly As my son Charles Poindexter has received property ie during his life it is my will and desire that in no extent shall his children receive any part of my estate after my death.
Fiftly It is my will and desire that the rest of my estate both real and personal, be sold on a credit of mine or twelve months and the money arising from which be divided among my surviving children and grandchildren herein named so as to make them equal to wit, John B, Poindexter, William H. Poindexter, Merith Poindexter, Dabney Poindexter, Elizabeth Gooch wife of James Gooch , and my grand children Robert Butler and Sarah Butler the children of my deceased daughter Martha Butler. My said grand children to take equally between them the share that their mother deceased mother would have taken if alive, which would be one sixth of my estate. My Executor in making my aforesaid children and grand children equal shall take into consideration the bonds and interest thereon, mentioned in the second clause of this my will.
Fifthly It is my will and desire that the portion of my above named grand children shall be retained by my executor as trustee until they shall respectively attain the age of twenty-one years or marry, no interst thereon to be paid to them or either of them, or to their guardians , or to any other person in the mean time: but the interest is to accumulate and to be paid to them my said grand children together with principal of that legacy when they shall respectively attain the age of 21 years or marry.
Sixthly It is my will and desire that should my said grand children or either of them die before they respectively attain the age of twentyone years or marry, that his,hers or their portion hereby devised and bequeathed to him, her or them shall return to my estate and be equally divided among my surviving children and Grand children the former taking cap...... .. ...... ... .......
Seventhly It is my will and desire that when and so soon as my daughter Mary Landrum shall die that the above named portion of five hundred dollars shall return to my estate and be divided equally among my surviving children and grand children - the former taking the capital, the later ... .......
Eightly It is my desire that should any of my children be dissatisfied with the provisions of this my will, that he, she or they shall be be cut off and have not part of my estate whatsoever.
Ninthly I hereby constitute and appoint George W. S. Harper executor of this my last will and testament,
The inter.......tion " Children" between the 3rd and fourth lines was made by me before execution. In testimony whereof I hereto set my hand and affix my seal this 13th day of March 1851

Charles M Poindexter (seal)

Signed sealed and acknowledged by Charles M Poindexter as and for his last will and testament in our presence and in the presence of each of us and at his request the 13th day of November 1851

Robert S. Jones

Samuel Ogg

below written in a different hand) Dabney Poindexter

As you will note, Martha Jane did have a sister named Elizabeth POINDEXTER, but she married a Gooch. She also had a sister, Mary Ann, who married a Landrum. Her other five siblings were brothers. There is no Angelina in the family. So Anglina KRISE may well have been David's second wife, but she was not Martha Jane's sister.

Do you have more information on the family? We have almost nothing on David and would appreciate details. We also have nothing forward on David and Martha Jane POINDEXTER BUTLER'S children, Robert L. and Sarah Elizabeth. We do not show a third child, Martha Jane BUTLER. As you can tell from Charles will, if she was a child of David and Martha Jane BUTLER'S, she was dead prior to her grandfather's death in 1851. Where did your information about her come from?

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1278799584000
Classification: Query
Robin, Thank you for responding to my query - I have not been to the Louisa courthouse since 1981 and I was not aware of the Poindexter-Butler relationship at the time I visited there. So thank you for referring me to the will of Charles Poindexter!
As you've stated, David T. married Martha Jane Poindexter c. 1842 in Louisa County. I also had found the two children you mention, Robert L. Butler and Sarah Elizabeth Butler. David remarried (c. 1851) Angelina Krise (from Orange Co.?) and they had several children - so far I've documented; Sophia Angeline, William David, Mary Ella, Preston Julian, Phillip and John Wesley. There also may have been a Joseph. My husband's GGrandfather is John Wesley Butler. It is reported on his death certificate that he was born in Louisa County, VA on 21 March 1861, however his tombstone in Scottsville gives the year as 1862. On Sarah Elizabeth's death certificate, the name given for her mother is Elizabeth Poindexter. Sarah Elizabeth was very tiny - not much over four feet tall(I have one picture of her). She lived with John Wesley and his wife, Ella Carson Phillips, at the Butler farm on Route 6 east of Scottsville, until her death in 1938. Aunt Sophia also spent a lot of time at the farm in her later years. David T. Butler, Angelina, Sarah Elizabeth and Sophia Angeline are all buried at the Mt. Zion Churchyard in Esmont, VA. Preston Julian and his family are buried there, too. John Wesley died on 12 January 1946 in Richmond, Virginia at the home of his daughter, Agnes Angeline Butler Gianniny.
John Wesley and Ella had three children, Claude Phillips b. 1897, Lindsay Wesley b. 1899 and Agnes Angeline b. 1902. Claude Phillips Butler was my husband's grandfather.
That should get you started with our line - send me any other questions you may have. I ran across a deed dated 4 December 1900, where Ella "buys out" other family members who have an interest in the farm property in Albemarle. Three names I am not familiar with are Walker P. Butler, Henry W. Butler and James C. Butler. I've wondered if they are possibly brothers of David or perhaps heirs of children who predeceased David? Do you recognize any of these names? How great to share this information - I hope to hear from you again.

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1327809370000
Classification: Query
I'm elated that I just come across this thread and have been able to confirm a lot of my information. As for Martha Jane Poindexter Butler's descendants, Robert L. Butler is my great-great-grandfather. Many of his descendants still live in Louisa County. Robert L. Butler first married Angelina Gibson and had Julia Lee, Alice M., and Robert N. Angelina's mother was a Krise. Then Robert married Luella Wayland and had Catherine Lee (Katie) and William David. They grew up in the Green Springs area of Louisa County and the property adjoined Doctors Road.

I am descended from Julia Butler's children. She married Beauregard Butler and had many children, one of whom was my grandmother Lillie. Lille married Sam Vogt and they had a home off Doctors Road as well.

Katie Butler also married a Vogt, and he was Eddie Vogt the brother of Sam. They had many children, too, and also grew up off Doctors Road. Three of their children still live in Louisa and I have regular contact with them. One is Raymond Vogt, one is Eddie Vogt, Jr., and one is Elnor Vogt Whitlock.

By the way, the third child of David and Martha Jane Butler wasn't born until after Charles Poindexter's will was written. That's why she is not named in the will.

Would love to have future contact with you.

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1332726451000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Poindexter, Butler
I am the current Poindexter Descendants Association Database Coordinator. I would very much like to have direct contact with you to discuss further your family's Poindexter connections. My e-mail is robindaviet at cs dot com.

By the way, David and Martha Jane Butler did not have a third child. A child could not have possibly been born to them after Charles M. Poindexter's will was written as Charles makes the following statement in his will "and my grand children Robert Butler and Sarah Butler the children of my deceased daughter Martha Butler."

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Robin BUTLER Daviet

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1334447305000
Classification: Query
It seems that you have more information about the Poindexter connection to our Butler line than me. I don't know that I can offer anything further, but you are welcome to email me at, if you have any questions.

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1402844516000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Butler
I'm responding to your inquiry about who Ella (John Wesley Butler's wife) "buys out" from the 3 family members who have an interest in the farm property in Albemarle County, Va. All 3 people (Walker P. Butler, Henry W. Butler, and James C. Butler) are David T. Butler's grandchildren through his daughter Mary Ella Butler, who married James Wickliffe Butler, son of Matthew Butler, and died
sometime between June 1880 (she is on 1880 census) and 1889, when her widowed husband remarried in May 1889. The marriage record shows that he was widowed. So their 4 children included the 3 mentioned above and they lived with their new mom. AS of now, I cannot find a record of her death or of where James Wickliffe Butler was living after 1880. James was the son of Matthew and Mary A [Krise] Butler.

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1403394830000
Classification: Query
Thank you for sharing this information. I'm curious, do you have an opinion on what the relationship was between David T. Butler and Matthew Butler? Brothers? Cousins? Other?

Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1403720542000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gibson, Butler, Tate
I wish I DID know the relationship between David .T Butler (1817) and Matthew Butler (1817). My opinion is that they may have been brothers. I haven't been able to find David T. Butler's parents or siblings. Does anyone have a clue?

Matthew married Mary Anne Krise (b 1826) and David married Angelina Krise (b. 1833). There was another Krise girl named Martha Jane (b. 1829). I think their parents are Elizabeth (1803) and John P. Krise (b. 1807). Not sure. Martha Jane Krise married William Gibson, and their daughter married David T. Butler's son Robert L. Butler.

David T. Butler lived on Doctors Road in Louisa County but later moved to Esmont near Scottsville and was buried there. Why did he go to the Scottsville area? It seems all the other Butlers were in Orange/Louisa.

David T. Butler once sold his property in Louisa to John J. Butler, whose ancestry I mention in the next paragraph, so I wonder if he was related to that Butler line, too. Maybe John J. was another brother. Until we can find information on David's father and siblings, this is all conjecture.

John J. Butler (b. 1824) was the father of Lee Beauregard Butler's (b. 1862,), Malinda H. Butler, Betty Jackson Butler, Nathan T. Butler, and Nora Butler. John J. Butler's father was John R. (Jackson) Butler (b. 1785). I would love to know the ancestors of this family line as well as David T. Butler's line, and whether the two intersect.

John R. Butler married Mary Tate in 1810 in Louisa County, Va. I am a descendant of both John R. Butler AND David T. Butler, so would love to know where (if) these 2 families intersect. Would love to hear from others on this.


Re: Butler - Poindexter- Krise

Posted: 1409958507000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1409958590000
Hi Jane,
Just looking at David T. Butler again . . . wouldn't it be something if the T. stood for Tate? John Butler seems to have married Tate sisters - I think the first marriage was to Mary Tate and the second to Fanny Tate. You ask what may have prompted David and his branch to move to Scottsville from Louisa. Good question. I've asked it many times myself. Sometime when you get an opportunity - look up the Louisa County Chancery papers on the Library of Virginia website - there is a case in the late 1870's/early '80s where Mary Butler is asking for a divorce from Matthew Butler. For it's time, it would have been considered a pretty shocking affair - Mary and the older children claiming Matthew abused her. Maybe David just wanted to put some distance between them? Also, the economy in the 1880's was not great either, so perhaps it was time to move on. There are also other chancery suits that give small glimpses into this group of Butlers in Louisa. Here's to successful hunting, Brenda
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