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Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Posted: 1361398833000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thigpen, Phippen, Fitzpen
It is easy to see how the phonetic shift from Fitzpen to Phippen occurs. It is similar to thugater in Greek to tochter in German to daughter in English.

It is difficult to understand the shift from Phippen to Thigpen. Ph to Th and p to g look nigh impossibe.

It is enough to make me doubt the Phippen-Thigpen connection.

Regards,

Bob Baxter

Re: Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Posted: 1361423406000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thigpen
It's obvious your last name isn't Thigpen! That name is virtuously impossible to understand over the phone. I think it is very easy to understand the change from F to Ph to Th. Consider uneducated people trying to phoenetically spell when educated people these days can't get it right!
Thanks for your interest.

Sharon Thigpin Davenport

Re: Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Posted: 1361461944000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thigpen, Phippen
Dear Sharon,

My family comes from an area where there are lots of Thigpens, may even have some in the family aways back.

That said, I have done some study of phonetics and the rules of phonetic shifts. I can see Bibben, Bippen, Vippen, and so on but not Thigpen which would give Digpen, Tigpen.
How do you explain the shift from p to g? Impossible. G usually shifts to k or hard c.

Furthermore, place your tongue in position for the f sound and then for the th sound. You will appreciate how hard the shift is.

Regards,

Bob

Re: Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Posted: 1361548195000
Classification: Query
Bob,

Aside from what Sharon has pointed out, it really doesn't matter whether you get it or not and it certainly doesn't matter if it doesn't fit into your life of phonetics.

The Thigpen name has been researched by many all the way back to the homeland and it is what it is. Many, many names have changed over time whether on purpose to Americanize one's self or by virtue of illiterate people trying to put pen to paper. I have Thigpens on one side and Italian ancestry on the other. The transformation of Italian names is more difficult to "understand" than the Thigpen and is no doubt due to illiteracy and communication barriers. In some cases they just plain changed their names. So please, we don't need phonetics lessons. We know who are families are and whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

Re: Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Posted: 1394144295000
Classification: Query
Your message was over a year ago, so I don't know if you'll get this or not; however, if you look up Owen Fitzpen Phippen, Wikipedia has information as to the Phippens who ended up in Massachusetts and the Thigpens who ended up in the Carolinas. It also makes the connection that David Phippen was Owen's brother and it was Owen's son who apparently changed the name. Owen's grandson, James Thigpen, was the first immigrant to North Carolina. At some point, according to the book The Thigpen Tribe, both families came together to memorialize their connected ancestry. Additionally, I, a Thigpen descendant, took a DNA test, and have common DNA with Phippens in Massachusetts.

Re: Fitzpen to Phippen to Thigpen

Posted: 1473706540000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thigpen, Phippen
Hi, all.

Not sure if any of you are still active on this thread, but thought I'd add my two cents' worth.

Here's a link to The Thigpen Tribe by Alice Whitley Smith explaining the name changes. http://eradcliffe.tripod.com/thigpen.html

Like valerielamar1219, I too am a direct descendant of the Thigpen family. Jessie Stephen Thigpen was my great-grandfather.

Jessie's ancestors (and mine, of course) can be traced directly to James Thigpen who was born in Shannon, Ireland in 1627 and sailed to America and settled in Perquimans County, NC.

James was the grandson of Owen Phippen. Descendants of Owen's brother David Phippen helped settle the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

Recently, through DNA testing, I found that I'm distantly related to about a dozen of David Phippen's descendants.

Hoping this helps.

Angela Cook
angie@cedarhillpt.com
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