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GALICIA GRANDPARENTS

GALICIA GRANDPARENTS

Doug Weber (View posts)
Posted: 998507244000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Doborowolski
My great grandfather who came to Carteret, NJ in early 1900s was JOHN DOBROWOLSKI SR. He left behind in Galicia his parents --- all is known is father name of GEORGE. I have no idea where to start looking.

Re: GALICIA GRANDPARENTS

Posted: 1002980881000
Classification: Query
try www.ancestry.com...there are over 400 social security death records in their with your name in New Jersey.

Re: GALICIA GRANDPARENTS

Mighthelp (View posts)
Posted: 1101516031000
Classification: Query
As per Ellis Island, there is an Iwan>later anglicized to John Dobrowolsky, 25 yrs old (YOB 1881???)>, single, ethnically listing himself as Rusniak/LEMKO arriving from Lezovate/LESZCZOWATE May 6, 1906, heading for Carteret, NJ to meet up w/brother Fedko.

Lemko village Leszczowate (coordinates 49.30-22.34, very close to what is Ukrainian/Polish border today> Lisko was administrative district and Uztrzyski Dolne was judicial/tax district for the village. The Greek Catholic Church was in Leszczowate and the filial Roman Catholic Church was in Jasien. This region was Western Galicia>administered by ethnic Poles for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It was also frequently referred to as Lemkivschyna. Today this is Podkarpackie Region in SE POLAND.

Central Europe Review - Karen M Laun: The Lemko of Poland
http://www.ce-review.org/99/24/laun24.html

LEMKOs | Lemkivshchyna | Lemkovyna | Lemko | Boyko | Rusyn | Rusnak | Ruthenians | Carpatho-Ruthenians, etc.....
http://www.lemko.org/

Carpatho-Rusyn Background
http://www.tccweb.org/rusynback.htm

I AM NOT SURE THAT THE ABOVE IWAN IS YOUR GGRANDFATHER. He was the only Iwan that was heading for Carteret. You should also check every JAN Dobrowolski/y as well. Look in the Ellis Island original ship manifests/handwritten copies for a Jan (Polish name for John) heading for Carteret.

Once you have established which Dobrowolski/y was your own, check CHURCH RECORDS for Grandfather's birth records, GGrandfather's marriage records etc. Where was GGrandfather buried? There is an extensive library in Carteret. AND DON'T NEGLECT DOCUMENTING GGRANDMOTHER & GRANDMOTHER.

Before crossing the Atlantic you have a lot of work ahead of you in States.

Carteret
http://www.rootsweb.com/~njmiddle/Towns/carter.htm

PS> Technically the best way to research your ancestors is to document you own parents and then keep moving backwards and documenting. Documentation will move you from generation to generation. Lemkos stuck pretty close to their own.

"Did Your Baba Come from Austria?"

Mighthelp (View posts)
Posted: 1101516353000
Classification: Query
[The following was written in the 1980s, was broadcast on CKJS Radio in Winnipeg, and was published in Ukr. English-language newspapers.]

"Did Your Baba Come from Austria?"
by Orysia Tracz

"Did your mother come from Ireland?" asks the Irish-American song. I have another, more relevant question. If you are of Ukrainian descent, and your grandparents or great-grandparents came from Ukraine to Canada [and the U.S.] in the last part of the 19th century or early part of this century, did your baba or dido come from Austria?

What a silly question, you may think. But is it? Almost every day, in the obituaries of the Winnipeg newspapers, we read about a 70- or 90-year-old individual, with a Ukrainian name, member of a Ukrainian church and Ukrainian organizations, and yet, "born in selo [village] such-and-such, pvit such-and-such, Austria." Why? That baba and dido most probably never even saw Austria. When they lived in Ukraine, they would have had to travel completely through Poland, Czechoslovakia, or Hungary to get to the borders of Austria itself. So how could they have been born in selo Dolyna, povit Zelenyi, AUSTRIA? They weren't. Your baba and dido were still Ukrainian, but everything around them was changing every so many years. The western portion of Ukraine was under the rule of the Austro-Hungarian Empire from 1722 to 1918, and under Polish rule within that empire, and later, for a good portion of that time.

The pioneers and later immigrants to Canada arrived with documents and papers in German, Polish, Rumanian, or Russian, because the language used on the documents was the official language of whatever government was ruling Ukraine at the time. From this, some descendants of these immigrants -- and even the immigrants themselves -- thought that because the papers were in German issued by "Austria," they were "Austrian" themselves. How many of our pioneers and their descendants were and are active members of the Polish and Rumanian communities because they thought they belonged there?

It's a long story, and yet it's simple. Ukraine is a very poor rich country -- rich in location, climate, soil, natural resources, and people, to overabundance. But because of these riches, throughout her history, Ukraine has been at the mercy of its greedy neighbours. When one consideres how long the Ukrainian people have existed as an entity, the years of independence [before 1991] were very few indeed.

National identity/ethnic origin and citizenship are two totally different things. Even in this century, your parents or grandparents, while being Ukrainian by nationality or ethnic origin, could have been citizens of Russia, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Austria, or Germany. This does not mean that they changed nationality, if by "nationality" you understand ethnic origin or national identity. They just changed citizenship. Remnants of colonialism and foreign occupations are evident in the Ukrainian language. "Za Avstriyi" and "za Pol'shchi" mean during [the time of] Austria and during [the time of] Poland -- i.e., under the rule of Austria and Poland. "Za nimtsiv" or "za Rossiyi" means during the wartime occupations of the Germans, and of the Russians. Also used was "za bol'shevykiv" -- during [the time of] the Bolsheviks.

The colonists and occupiers came, stayed, and left. The people, and the land, stayed the same -- Ukrainian -- as they had always been. I remember an old wise woman commenting on this topic, patiently explaining again and again: "Just because a kitten is born in the barn, that doesn't make it a calf."


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Re: GALICIA GRANDPARENTS

Posted: 1102285614000
Classification: Query
Iwan Dobrowolsky was not going to a brother named Fedko, that info was for the person on the line below him.

Iwan was going to brother in law...Michal ????? at ??? NY or NJ

Robert Jerin

Re: GALICIA GRANDPARENTS

Mighthelp (View posts)
Posted: 1102302674000
Classification: Query
You are right, Iwan was heading for his brother-in-law's -
Michal (can't read surname), in Carteret NJ.
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