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Guerin born Manawa 6 April 1890

Guerin born Manawa 6 April 1890

Bruce Bagin (View posts)
Posted: 924004800000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Guerin

Oliver Guerin, born Manawa 6 April 1890 was my maternal grandfather. It is said that my mother was ashamed of the fact that he was an American Indian who was adopted by the Guerin Family. Is there any way to confirm any of
this family tale?

Re: Guerin born Manawa 6 April 1890

Posted: 1136685094000
Classification: Query
Hi Bruce,

I am not confirming anything, but according to the 1900 census, it seems as if your Oliver was a natural son of Leroy and Armenia Guerin, and not adopted. Armenia states that she has 8 children, and all 8 are living. There are 8 children listed in the census. There was a Charles and Adeline Guerin that adopted a boy named Albert, born 1906. He is listed as White, so I don't really know if this is the "Indian" in your family lore.
1900 census Little Wolf, Waupaca County, Wisconsin

Indexed under Gussin

Leroy Guerin, head, age 45, married 23 years, born May 1855 New York, parents born New York, farmer

Armenia Guerin, wife, age 39, married 23 years, 8 children, 8 living, born December 1861 New York, father born Canada, mother born new York

Leroy Guerin Jr., son, age 21, born March 1879 Wisconsin

Monroe Guerin, son, age 19, born February 1881 Wisconsin

Matilda Guerin, daughter, age 16, born September 1883 Wisconsin

Edson Guerin, son, age 14, born May 1886 Wisconsin

Rosetta Guerin, daughter, age 12, born March 1888 Wisconsin
Oliver Guerin, son, age 10, born April 1890 Wisconsin

Tiny? Guerin, daughter, age 8, born March 1892 Wisconsin

George Guerin, son, age 5, born January 1895 Wisconsin
1910 Little Wolf Town, Waupaca County, Wisconsin, Enumeration District 82, Enumerated April 25, Sheet 6 A, Dwelling 71, Family 72, Lines 12-15

Charles Guerin, Head, Age 39, 1st Marriage, Married 15 Years, Born about 1871 Wisconsin, Parents born New York, Laborer, Working Out

Adeline Guerin, Wife, Age 35, 1st Marriage, Married 15 Years, 1 Child, 1 Living, Born about 1875 Illinois, Parents born Fr French

Gladys Guerin, Daughter, Age 14, Born about 1896 Wisconsin, Parents born Wisconsin

Albert Guerin, Adopted, Age 6, Born about 1904 Wisconsin, Parents born Wisconsin
1920 Little Wolf Township, Waupaca County, Wisconsin, Enumeration District 141, Enumerated January 8 & 9, Sheet 3 A, Dwelling 44, Family 45, Lines 41-43

Charles Guerin, Head, Age 50, Married, Born about 1870 Wisconsin, Parents born New York, Laborer, Lumber Yard

Adeline Guerin, Wife, Age 45, Married, Born about 1875 Illinois, Father born Belgium (French), Mother born France (French)

Albert Guerin, Son (Adopted), Age 15, Born about 1904 Wisconsin, Parents born Wisconsin

Re: Guerin born Manawa 6 April 1890

marilync ebrowski (View posts)
Posted: 1161654880000
Classification: Query
Surnames: guerin, flynn, cebrowski
oliver is my husband tom cebrowski's grandfather on his mother vivians side, i beleive your mom, nona is vivians sister. The story that I got from your mom's mother, magdalene Flynn was that leroy gurin, father to oliver, had a father who was raised by the gurins and took their name. He was supose to have come from South Dakota and had been from a family with the name of STONE. I have tryed for years to find info. on this to no avail.

Re: Guerin born Manawa 6 April 1890

Posted: 1361308372000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Guerin, Bruley, Wilson
I have no idea if any of you are still active but here's the scoop:

William D Guerin b.1826 Varick NY m Emily Waters. He was not an Indian but the son of Jonas Guerin and Nancy Ehle of NJ.

WDG had many kids including Leroy James Guerin b.1857 in Ovid, NY. He married Armenia Bruley.

In +-1865 Guerin's moved West to Wisconsin. WDG's brother John is my gggrandfather, his wife was Mary Ann Wilson.

Oliver was born to Leroy and Armenia in WI in 1889-90. He is my 2nd cousin twice removed.

As usual, there is madness in that the Abraham Bruley had 22 children! Two of the daughters, Armenia and Anna, married Guerins. Unless I have it all wrong the other Guerin was Roy E Guerin b.1879 who married Anna and had sons Oliver and Leroy. Like a mirror image family!

Oliver Guerin Magdeline Flynn

Posted: 1362630595000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Guerin Flynn Cebrowski Bagin
After some fascinating rabbit holes, my colleague Elsie Wilson and I offer the following theory:

James Flynn m Johanna McCabe in about 1883 in the Little Wolf, WI area. He was a very early settler up there.
They had 11 children, one of whom was Magdeline Flynn b.1898.

Magdeline marries Oliver Guerin b.1890, natural son of Leroy James and Armenia Bruley, in about 1915. Their first child was Vivian Flynn Cebrowski being born in 1916, then Nona Flynn Bagin b. 1919.

At about the same time, James Flynn dies and we find Johanna has remarried to Joseph Potter Guerin by the 1920 census and they have Vivian and sister Nona living with them as they were Johanna's grandkids. Later, in Regina Flynn Reetz's obit, Joe was referred to as a foster father. This leads me tho think about a significant family disruption in about 1920

As an aside, the image of the 1905 Little Wolf census makes it clear how the Guerins Flynns Kosmershocks, and St Georges knew each other--they all lived within one census page of each other.

Oliver's 1917 draft card has him and his family renting in Hevetia, Wisconsin and here's where the speculation starts: The original poster mentioned a family last name of STONE. Common enough name, but there is a Harlan Stone b 1865 in Helvetia in the 1905 and 1910 Census'. Could Oliver and Magdeline have known them or rented from them? That might explain "old family stories" that youngsters incorrectly remember and oldsters tell.

I can't find a trace of Magdeline Guerin after 1920 so it's led me to wonder if she and Oliver died together leaving the children with Joe and Johanna Guerin?

I don't see Joanna after the 1940 census, when did she die?

One thing I was wrong about in my first note was that Roy E Guerin and Leroy E Guerin are the same person...bad data.

I am looking for Waupaca Guerin descendants and information and will be in the area in August 2013 for a reunion. Do not hesitate to email at

Guerin half brothers and a mystery: Leroy James and Wm Jr.

Posted: 1363623801000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1363624242000
Surnames: Guerin Cebrowski, Bagin, Flynn, Stone

Above is a link to a thread on Wm D Guerin Jr's obituary, (his mother was Elizabeth McNinch) He is half brother to Leroy James Guerin (whose mother was Emily Waters). Their father was William D Guerin Sr.

The Cebrowski/Bagin clans descend from the Guerin/Waters first marriage through Leroy and Oliver.

To add to the STONE mystery (which Elsie and I believe is in error as we have solid data on Wm Sr) I recently received correspondence from Marie Guerin whose husband was descended from the Guerin/McNinch union.

In it, her husband's father, Oviat John Guerin, writes that his grandfather, Wm Guerin Sr., "moved from New York already married to Elizabeth Stone".

So now we have apocryphal evidence of a STONE connection from two sides of Wm Sr's family. Slightly fascinating, probably unresolvable!

My thanks to David S. for the actual marriage date of James Flynn and Johanna McCabe: Nov 13 1883.

The hunt goes on...
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