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Lucy Brown - died allegedly at 120 years old Oct 1924

Lucy Brown - died allegedly at 120 years old Oct 1924

Posted: 1152529349000
Classification: Query
The article posted below is the only time Lucy Brown's husband was referred to as "Mono Tom" Brown except for people who have since erroneously repeated that phrase from the United Press article that appeared in the Modesto Bee. Lucy was thought to be the oldest person alive at the time and there were numerous articles across the nation published about her death.

The journalist was obviously sloppy and inaccurate in his reporting. Lucy Brown did not die of a heart attack as he reports. If he had verified his facts he would have found out she died after suffering from a cold for a few days. I have a three page report from her Doctor. Below is an abbreviated account of her death certificate and the coroner's report.

While it says Pete Hilliard was her grandson, he was in fact only such through marriage not bloodline. Lucy had 2 sons that died young and one daughter - all from a prior marriage. Bill Brown had 2 children from a prior marriage.

Any decendants of this family can contact me directly.

Mariposa County Bk 2 page 48
Yosemite National Park

Mrs. Lucy Brown (Indian) dod Oct 1924
sex: female marital status: widowed bp: unknown
age: relatives say 120 yrs old
occ: in house*
spouse: Bill Brown
father: unknown bp: unk
mother: " " bp: "
length of res: 120 yr est. in CA estimate
informant: Pete Hilliard (grandson) age 54yr

I hereby certify as to the person .................that on
Oct 20, 1924 ........that I have investigated the death
officially on account of
(written over top of preprinted statement and is not
completely readable)
cause: Death due to natural causes on account of old age and
contraction of a cold.
physician: Dr. Elanda M. Churse(?) autopsy surgeon
Oct 21, 1924 Mariposa
pl of burial Yos Valley Ca, Oct 21, 1924
undertaker: US Gov Yosemite, CA

Re: Lucy Brown - died allegedly at 120 years old Oct 1924 - if Miwok, not related to Chief Tenaya

Yose Mite (View posts)
Posted: 1152564282000
Classification: Lookup
Surnames: Yosemite Indians Paiute Chief Tenaya Mono Lake Paiutes
If you still claim that they were not the same person, than the one who is Paiute is the one that is from Chief Tenaya since Tenaya's children were 3/4's Paiute.

Also at that the time of capture the Tenaya's group was Paiute, and not Miwok. Here is an excerpt from the only man to meet Chief Tenaya;

Page 219

"The Pai-ute and Mono Colony originally established by Ten-ie-ya, was the result of a desire to improve their physical condition. They were attached to this valley as a home."

*If the link does not work copy and paste the paragraph without the quotations into Google search and the webpage of Lafayette H. Bunnell's book will appear.

Interestingly on the bottom of that same webpage on the book "Discovery of the Yosemites" by the only man to meet Chief Tenaya wrote this:

Page 221

"The names of the different objects and localities of especial interest have now become well established by use. It is not a matter of so much surprise that there is such a difference in the orthography of the names. I only wonder that they have been retained in a condition to be recognized. It is not altogether the fault of the interpreters that discrepancies exist in interpretation or pronunciation, although both are often undesignedly warped to conform to the ideality of the interpreter. Many of the names have been modernized and adorned with transparencies in order to illuminate the subject of which the parties were writing. Those who once inhabited this region, and gave distinctive appellations, have all disappeared. The names given by them can be but indifferently preserved or counterfeited by their camp followers, the "California Diggers;" but June is now with us, and we must hasten on to our work of following up the trail. "

That would mean that the "California Diggers" or Miwoks, were late comers and followers of the soliders and miners camps. That they "counterfeited" the original Ahwahneechee (Paiute) words.

I didn't write that...the man who met Chief Tenaya did, that would be Lafayette H. Bunnell.

...and Sharon what about all the rest of your "Southern Sierra Miwuks" family documentation?

You know the Charlies, Johnsons, Leonards, Sams, Hutchings, plus others?

Have you read it??? Not one is a Yosemite Miwok. There were no Yosemite Miwoks, just a group of renegade outlaw group made of many bands of Paiutes, Mono and a handful of Indians of the western tribes, that were unspecificly unidentified.

You claim to be from Chief Tenaya AND Miwok. That is genealogically not possible.

Even Chief Tenaya said the Ahwahneechees was from a band totally different from any other surrounding tribe. That would mean Miwok also. Yet he was 1/2 Paiute and his children 3/4s Paiute. But the Ahwahneechees would have to be closely related to Paiutes since they traded with them, but NOT Miwoks. Miwoks feared them. That is documented.

Have you seen your other members paperwork on here? We have more you know. That shows that they are not Ahwahneechees...maybe the Paiutes in your group are, but not the "Miwoks" or Casson Yokuts. Since in 1854 the remaining surviving Ahwahneechees were absorbed into the Mono Lake Paiute people after the rest were mostly killed off by them.

Chief Tenaya

Sharon (View posts)
Posted: 1152791599000
Classification: Query
From your link in Bunnell:

"As he was reputed to be quite a linguist, speaking, besides his native Ah-wah-ne-chee, the Pai-ute, and other dialects....."

What was Tenaya's NATIVE tongue?????

Re: Chief Tenaya Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute.

Yose Mite (View posts)
Posted: 1152843193000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Yosemite Indians Paiute Chief Tenaya Mono Lake Paiutes Miwok
Because in Bunnell's book he wrote, that Chief Tenaya spoke a "Paiute Jargon".

Which meant that Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute.

Even Jay Johnson who is leading the effort for federal recognition acknowledged that the dialect spoken at Yosemite was a similar to Mono Lake. That would indicate that Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute and not a dialect of Miwok.

Every instance in the book goes back to Mono Paiute or Monache Kaweah, or Norther Paiute and all of those three Paiute dialects combined.

NOT ONCE does the book say he speaks Miwok or that he is Miwok.

That is why on the Petition to Cogress on Behalf of the Indians, it says "Yosemites, Monos and PAIUTES" not Miwoks, Mewoos, Mewuks any Poyotanees, Nutchus or others.

Because they had their own rancheria that was disolved at Merced Falls. The rest had the Big Creek Rancheria in the lower Tuolumne. The Paiutes had the upper Tuolumne, that is also documented.

What makes you think that Poyotanee or Awalances were EVEN MIWOKS? They certainly weren't Ahwahneechees.

Re: Chief Tenaya Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute.

Posted: 1168199012000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tenaya
There are a number of weak points in your argumentation.

1) That Chief Tenaya used a Paiute Jargon (and not just Paiute) has no bearing on the original Ahwahneechee dialect. It was presumably because after his return to Yosemite there was a mixed population present, among whom a large number of Paiutes, who had accompanied him back there.

2) The word "Ahwahneechee" meaning 'people of Ahwahnee' is a type of formation met with in the Miwok (and Yokuts) languages. The word "Monache" is also funnily enough a nice example, being the Yokuts word for 'Mono'. "Pohonichi" is another one close-by, referring to the Miwok who derived their name from "Pohono".
The Potoyancies and Awalances were certainly Miwok. But not of any relevance for Yosemite.

3) Why Jay Johnson would or should have any special knowledge of the language spoken in Yosemite in Tenaya's childhood is unclear to me.

4) "Ten-ie-ya replied, as the young Indian stepped forward by his direction, "I will go with my people; my young man shall go with you to my village. You will not find any people there. I do not know where they are. My tribe is small--not large, as the white chief has said. The Pai-utes and Mono's are all gone. ..." (Burnett)
This doesn't sound as if he reckoned the he Pai-utes and Mono's as real members of his tribe."

5) Unlike the Paiutes, the people anthropologists and ethnographers call Miwok did not use the term "Miwok" to refer to their tribelets. The word Miwok just meant 'person'. The Southern Sierra Miwoks alone had about three dozen rancherias. The word Yosemite is, as you kanow, derived from the Southern Sierra Miwok for 'bear'. So "Yosemites, Monos and PAIUTES" would not be an unexpected way of referring to the different groups. Once again, it certainly doesn't suggest that "yosemites" including "Paiutes".

6) "I afterwards learned the traditional history of Ten-ie-ya's ancestors. His statement was to the effect, that the Ah-wah-ne-chees had many years ago been a large tribe, and lived in territory now claimed by him and his people. That by wars, and a fatal black-sickness (probably small-pox or measles), nearly all had been destroyed. The survivors of the band fled from the valley and joined other tribes. For years afterward, the country was uninhabited; but few of the extinct tribe ever visited it, and from a superstitious fear, it was avoided. Some of his ancestors had gone to the Mono tribe and been adopted by them. His father had taken a wife from that tribe. His mother was a Mono woman, and he had lived with her people while young. Eventually, Ten-ie-ya, with some of his father's tribe had visited the valley, and claimed it as their birth-right. He thus became the founder of the new tribe or band, which has since been called the "Yosemite."

By this account there's no necessity for the Ahwahneechees to have had any connection with Paiutes before their doption by them. In any case, as I said above, "Ahwahneechee" is a Miwok word.

N. Smith

Re: Chief Tenaya Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute.

Posted: 1170417928000
Classification: Query
Surnames: yosemite indian miwok paiute
1. If you were to read the book more closely you would see when Tenaya was talking about his father "...his father was the chief of an INDEPENDENT PEOPLE, whose ancestors were of a different race". Meaning that Tenaya's father was not a Miwok. Since the rest of the Miwoks were different triblets. Also in the same chapter he was written about the Miwoks and Yokuts that they "...acknowledged by the NEIGHBORING TRIBES, who had FEARED, rather than respect him..." The Ahwahnees were surrounded by the Monos to the south (yet he had Kaweahs in his band), Mono Paiutes directly to the east and Paiutes to the Northeast. So who were these "NEIGHBORING TRIBES, WHO FEARD HIM"? The Monos and Paiutes bragged about his (war) exploits and considered him one of their who 'feared' him and who did he have war exploits against. It wasn't against the Monos and Paiutes. They hid in him out...TWICE after he left the reservation. A funny thing about that TENAYA NEVER WENT ESCAPED TO MIWOK TERRITORIES. Why is that if the Miwoks were his 'brothers'? That would indict that the Miwoks and the Ahwahnees were ancient enemies. Also the Paiutes were extremely war like AND IT WAS DOCUMENTED THAT THEY FOUGHT WITH MIWOKS. So Tenaya's father COULD NOT HAVE GONE TO LIVE WITH WAR LIKE PAIUTES if the Ahwahnees were Miwoks. They would killed him. Paiutes even had trouble getting along with their lingustic cousins the Shoshones. It would be impossible for Miwok MEN to live with Paiutes before 1880. Even C. Hart Merriam documented that.

2. There was an ancient village of Ahwahnee at Mount Tom, in Paiute territory, and that was documented.

3. Tenaya is a Paiute word.

4. Paiute 'jargon' does not mean Miwok. James Savage SPOKE Miwok and Yokut. Read Sam Ward, who knew him. Tenaya's band had Mono Paiutes, Paiutes from Bridgeport, who speak Northern Paiute a different dialect, and Monanches, another different Uto-Aztecan dialect. If Tenaya spoke Miwok, Savage would've spoke to him.

4.It is important about Jay Johnson, BECAUSE Jay Johnson ACKNOWLEDGED that Yosemite language was a dialect of Mono Paiute, and NOT Miwok. That is correct. I have that also.

5. Since you know the Southern Sierra Miwuks, you should ask them which one of them is descendent of an Ahwahnee. For Maria Lebrado to be the granddaughter of Tenaya she would have to be from his 3/4's Paiute son or daughter. It was only documented that Tenaya was married to a full blooded Paiute woman. His band was mostly made up of Paiutes and Monos so when she was captured she would have to have been raised by Paiutes.

6. Bunnell wrote "Chief Tenaya was the FOUNDER OF THE PAIUTE COLONY OF AHWAHNEE" NOT Miwok colony.

7. The Miwoks were the scouts and guides for James Savage.

8. After the death of Tenaya and most of the band the remaining survivors WERE TAKEN BACK TO MONO LAKE. Which would mean they were re-absorbed into the Mono Lake Paiute population...not only once but twice since Tenaya's father took survivors to Mono Lake.

9. There is no record of those 8 braves who 'escaped' the Paiutes wrath. There have been several written accounts of an old man and his son, that would be Lancisco Wilson and his son since they acknowledge they were descendent of Tocanula, but as I am sure you have 'researched' Lancisco Wilson was a written on his grave. So if he was one of those who escaped....he was a Paiute who escaped from Tenaya's band. His own ancestor indicates a Paiute and not Miwok. I can speak some Paiute and know what his name means and it matches the myth of Rock Chief.

10. Jay Johnson's "Miwok" ancestry is from Bautista's band, who was not an Ahwahnee, but a Poyotanee. Captain and Susie Sam were Paiutes. Mary Ann Lewis was a Yokut from Madera County.

Since this is "Rootsweb'com" I can go down EVERY ancestor of the 'so-called' Yosemite "Ahwahnee" Miwoks...there are NONE. There are only Yosemite Ahwahnee Paiutes, Miwoks from the Awalances and Bautista's band, and Yokuts.

Re: Chief Tenaya Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute.

Posted: 1180869357000
Classification: Query
I agree with almost everything you said except I believe there is pretty compelling evidence that Tenaya was Yokut not Miwok. The direct descendants of Tenaya - of which I happen to be one - listed on their applications to the BIA that their Chief, Headman, etc were Tenaya, Bautista and Cypriano. Although Tenaya himself did not sign a treaty, historical writings indicate that his associated tribes were all Yokuts (as the broad classification is applied).

The May 1, 1901 article by D. J. Foley reflects that the Ahwahneechee were referred to as the "Digger" tribe, separate in identity from the Paiutes, and in fact the Paiutes were enemies. After this the Ahwahneechees were labeled as being from the Miwok group in census and articles however as I stated above, looking at the tribal affiliations made by Tenaya a logical conclusion was he identified with the Yokuts.

Jean Nicolas Perlot's book is a good source. The Tuolumnes - although there were marriages with them as well as the Paiutes - were enemies. The Tuolumnes were Miwoks.

Yosemite Indians

Posted: 1181593916000
Classification: Query

Re: Chief Tenaya Ahwahneechee was a dialect of Paiute.

Posted: 1183468485000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Southern Sierra Miwuk, Paiutes, Chief Tenaya, Yosemite Indian, Yosemite Native Americans
The real Tuolumnes came from Knights Ferry. Also Regarding Perlots, book why were the Yosemites fighting the Tuolumnes? Remember there is a whole chapter on that?

Now if they were the same tribe, why were they fighting each other?

Tenaya was born and raised at Mono Lake amongst the Paiute people, who were fighting Yokuts and Miwoks at that time. Mono Lake was also called Teniega Bah, Bah is lake in Paiute. Tenaya's real name is Tenieya. Tenaya married a Mono Lake Paiute woman also and was half Paiute.

If Bautista, Cypriano and Tenaya were FRIENDS and from the same tribe...why did Bautista say he could not get Tenaya's band to come down? Why was Bautista afriad to enter Yosemite Valley? Why did the Paiutes brag about Chief Tenaya if he was from the enemies camp? Why did Chief Tenaya hide out with the Mono Lake Paiutes instead of in Calaveras or high up in Tuolumne County?

Perlot also wrote that the chief he knew carried around the Fremont treaty on his person, so how is he from Chief Tenaya's camp.

Yes, Paiutes and Miwoks were enemies during that time, that is why they were not the same. Also you should read your friend Patrica Brattland's site. It seems that the Yokutsand Mono Paiutes were also fighting. So Tenaya was not Yokut, not if the Paiutes and Yokutss were fighting at the same time. The Monos were the go betweens, between the Paiutes and the Yokuts.

So are you saying that Maria Lebrado was a Yokut and not a Miwok, because you are looking at her application no doubt.

People like Foley never met Chief Tenaya, only Dr. Bunnell. He wouldn't know an Ahwahneechee from a Awal.

Re: Yosemite Indians

Posted: 1183515740000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Southern Sierra Miwuk, Paiutes, Chief Tenaya, Yosemite Indian, Yosemite Native Americans
Sorry, but that site that is posted does not have accurate information about Chief Tenaya and is full of hyperbole and exaggeration.

Genealogy information is based on documentated facts and not guesses.

There is no proof that Chief Tenaya was married to a Yokut or a Miwok woman. When writting fiction you can make guesses, but in true genealogy, you have to go by documented sources.

example: a person can say they were descendent of Sitting Bull because they 'believe' they are or their grandparents said so, but in true genealogy you have to have proof, and there is no proof that Chief Tenaya had a Yokut or Miwok wife, only a Paiute one.

Also how can a person know that Tenaya was a "sweet and loving person"? Tenaya was a warrior, and feared by the tribes on the western slopes, that we know for sure, but the website posted is guessing that Tenaya was a "sweet and loving person". He could've been a mean old cuss, so all that flowery written hyperbole is just that...exaggeration.

It is fact that Tenaya was born of a Mono Lake Paiute mother and married a Mono Lake Paiute woman and was raised at Mono Lake until he was old enough to return to Yosemite Valley..and there he established the Paiute colony of Ahwahnee. Oh and he also spoke Paiute.
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