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Gertrud Meurer married Wilhlem Schmidt, Ehrenfeld, Germany

Gertrud Meurer married Wilhlem Schmidt, Ehrenfeld, Germany

Posted: 1000763113000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1018126901000
Looking for Meurer's from Ehrenfeld/Elberfeld area of Koeln and in particular the family of Gertrud Meurer. She and her husband, Wilhelm Schmidt, were the parents of Wilhlemina Schmidt b 15 June 1871 (died Ehrenfeld 1935). Have just begun to look at this part of husbands family and any info re Meurer from these parts appreciated
Ann

Re: Gertrud Meurer married Wilhlem Schmidt, Ehrenfeld, Germany

Michael Meurer (View posts)
Posted: 1141335376000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Meurer, Maurer, Maeurer, Mauer, Mower, Mowrer, Mowery
Good afternoon, Ann!

I bumped into your email over lunch, and may be able to help you:

"Gertrud Meurer married Wilhlem Schmidt, Ehrenfeld, Germany
"Looking for Meurer's from Ehrenfeld/Elberfeld area of Koeln and in particular the family of Gertrud Meurer. She and her husband, Wilhelm Schmidt, were the parents of Wilhlemina Schmidt b 15 June 1871 (died Ehrenfeld 1935). Have just begun to look at this part of husbands family and any info re Meurer from these parts appreciated
"Ann"

For the past two or three months, I've been translating the pertinent 25% of a book by name of "The Schröder / von Schröder Family of Königsberg, Prussia [?], Volume 2: The Siblings Felix, Heinrich, and Irene von Schröder -- Genealogy, Family Trees, and Descendants" (Die Familie Schröder - von Schröder aus Königsberg i. Pr., Band 2: Die Geschwister Felix, Heinrich, Irene v. Schröder -- Ahnenlisten, Stammlisten, Nachfahrenlisten"), published privately in Krailing, Germany, in 1989 and compiled/written by a Felix von Schröder. One of his grandmothers had been a Meurer, and her brother was my father's grandfather, if you follow me – this means that a quarter of von Schröder's ancestry and my dad's were the same. I have my grandmother's copy (she passed away in 1996); one of the only two other copies in the United States (my late father's copy) is with my brother in Baltimore, and the third (I believe) with my father's sister outside Washington DC.

My father was born in Germany in 1931, and passed away less than two and a half years ago; though our more immediate family and ancestors are in/from the Hamburg/Luebeck/Flensburg area, von Schröder definitely details a chunk of the family in that area (visited it a few times myself, though just passing through). I don't have von Schröder's book with me here at work, but I do have the massive Excel notebook (twenty tabbed pages and counting) that I've been working on for the Stateside members of the family, and where I've broken out the ancestors he delineates. (He's got non-Meurer lines of the family back to the 1300s in one instance.)

Anyway, I'm showing a group like this:

Minna Ida Auguste Meurer (1851-1929)
+ Georg Richard Schmidt (1841-1914)
... = Minna Margarethe Schmidt (1871-1947)
... + Daniel Jacob Vorländer (1867-1941)
... ... = Ilsa Minna Sophie Vorländer (1895 - )
... ... + Menso Hobbing (1897-KIA 1943)
... ... ... = [three children]
... ... = Erna Minna Gertrud Vorländer (1897 - )
... ... + Lothar Wolf (1883 - )
... ... ... = [three children]
... ... = Irmgard Minna Vorländer (1902-1924)
... ... = Heinz Otto Vorländer (1904-KIA 1942)
... ... + Helene Grimm (1904 - )
... ... ... = [daughter]
... ... = Wilhelm Vorländer (1908 - )
... ... + Gudrun Kayser (1911 - )
... ... ... = [four children]
... = Georg Reinhold Schmidt (1873-1944)
... + Martha Margarethe Rossner (1886-1957)
... ... = Gerda Schmidt (1909-1987 - )
... ... + Max Weineck (1899 - )
... ... ... = [son]
... ... = Sigrid Schmidt (1913 - )
... ... + Hans Masuhr (1907 - )
... ... ... = [three children]
... ... = Georg Ernst Schmidt (1917 - )
... ... + Lore Wille (1922 - )
... ... ... = [two children]
... = Johannes Georg Schmidt (187_-1927)
... + Meta Sofie Fritzsche (1875 - )
... = Walter Georg Schmidt (187_-1922)
... + Else Martha Gertrud Müller (1889 - )
... ... = Ingeborg Elisabeth Minna Schmidt (1916 - )

Minna Ida Auguste (Meurer) Schmidt was the daughter and youngest child of Johann August Meurer (1779-1863) by his second wife, Minna Küstner (1812-1901). My more recent family descends from her brother Heinrich Albert Meurer (1832-1918), the oldest child (also by Minna Küstner). His son, Alexander Albert August Meurer (1861-1948) (Minna Schmidt's nephew) was a hero of the German Imperial Navy during the First World War, and with his cousin Hugo Karl August Meurer (1869-1960) helped scuttle the surrendered German naval fleet at London in ~1920 rather than simply hand it over to the British as part of the armistice. Alexander's son Hans-Hellmuth Meurer (1899-1965), who commanded a ship in the Reichsmarine in World War II, was my grandfather.

I thought at first the line I sketched out above might be your ancestors, but the names and dates don't dovetail well enough. And at this point I haven't recorded the places of birth/death onto those spreadsheets, so I can't tell just now if these are the Koeln-area Meurers. But at the very least, they may very well be close kindred of yours. If you need me to, I can dig around some more in the book, and see what further Schmidt info von Schröder has. Trouble is, of course, that both "Schmidt" (Smith) and "Meurer" (Mason) aren't uncommon names in the old country… and based on internet postings, there even seems to be a Meurer "colony" in Texas!

Here are some of the families that married into my family's line of Meurers, from the late 1400s on; some of them may be your ancestors as well:

Bose
DRECHSLER
ENDERS
Erckel
Friese
Hachenberger
Heilersieg
Kreller
KÃœSTNER (Kuestner)
Lechla
LÖWENSTEIN (Loewenstein)
Schultze
TRINIUS
VON REIN
Zacharias

(The ones in capitals are the maiden names of some of the women who married ancestors of mine beginning about 1700; the other last names are those of families that had married into theirs, if I've got it correct.)

Please let me know if I can send along some more information for you.

Regards,
Michael Meurer

Re: Gertrud Meurer married Wilhlem Schmidt, Ehrenfeld, Germany

Michael Meurer (View posts)
Posted: 1141413932000
Classification: Query
Ann:

I looked over von Schroeder's book last night, and it turns out that the Schmidts I referred to were actually in the Dresden/Leipzig area -- i.e., pretty much the other side of the country from Koeln.

The names "Elberfeld" and "Ehrenfeld" also tickled my memory-circuits... but on examination I found some ancestors with the _last name_ "Elberfeld", and some with the first (or middle) name "Ehrenfried". But it looks like thie one's a dead end for you; sorry!

Hochachtungsvoll,
Michael Meurer
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