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Lucy Family in Laurel Co., KY

Lucy Family in Laurel Co., KY

Lorene M. Lucy Callaway (View posts)
Posted: 923486400000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Lucy, Mason, Cromer, Mink
I am seeking any info on my ggrandfather Milton C. Lucy and my grandfather John Henry Lucy, Married to Amanda Garland from Knox County. I believe they lived in Laurel Co. in the 1930's or 40's. Milton is buried near Livingston and John Henry is buried at Sand Hill in Rockcastle Co.

Elizabeth "Lizzie" CROMER of Rockcastle County, Kentucky

Jim Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 924350400000
Classification: Query
I have found regarding some of the family History of my Greatgrandmother, "Lizzie" nee Cromer b. Sep. 1875, d. 1918 m. Stephen Andrew Drew that her Greatgrandmother, Mary nee Linville CROMER, I believe was linked to the BRYAN Family, which was closely connected to Daniel Boone's wife, Rebecca Bryan, daughter of Morgan Bryan who was brother to Joseph Bryan father of Rebecca Bryan.
BRYAN was born around 927 A.D.
because he was 51 years old when he succeeded his father as the King of
Munster. As a general in his father's army he had become one of the most
noted princes in Ireland, and after becoming King, he drove the Danes
his kingdom of Munster. His fame became so great that he was crowned at
Tara in the year 1002, at the age of 75 as "Ard Righ", or supreme
monarch of all Ireland.
During the wars of conquest which began about that time, many native
princes were killed, or were forced to flee, or were executed. In 1115,
Pope Adrian IV conferred the sovereignty of Ireland upon Henry II of
Some of the descendants of BRYAN went to Denmark with friendly Danes.
In 1650, Francis Bryan returned to Ireland and made an endeavor to
regain his hereditary title and estates. He was greatly persecuted by
the English government. He was forced to flee back to Denmark, where he
married and his sons Morgan and William were born. Morgan Bryan went
back to Ireland with his father, who was a standard bearer to William
and Mary of Orange, and he was present at the Battle of Boyne in 1690.
Francis Bryan died at Belfast , Ireland in 1694.
Morgan Bryan was born in Denmark in 1671; his mother was a Danish woman.
He had a brother William Smith Bryan, of whom no record has been
preserved. In the year 1685, Morgan Bryan moved to Pennsylvania. On the
ship crossing the Atlantic ocean he met Martha Strode, a Holland woman
and a refugee Huguenot ( A French Protestant of the 16th & 17th
century). They were married shortly after the ship landed and they
resided at a place near the present city of Reading, Pennsylvania. In
1690, Morgan Bryan and his family moved again to Virginia and they
settled on Opequan Creek about 12 miles from Winchester, Virginia, where
most of his children grew up and were married. He lived here until 1748,
when he again moved ( He was 77 years old at this time!!!!) to the
Yadkin River Country, in North Carolina; which was at that time truly
the wilderness frontier. He died there in 1763 at the age of 92.
The reason I, (Kelly Greer), related this section concerning Morgan
Bryan is because I find it very interesting to note that in 1690 Morgan
Bryan and his family moved to Winchester, Virginia. Winchester, Virginia
is approximately 100 miles North of where our Hannah (Bryan) McDaniel
had her fifth child BRYAN in Harrisonburg, Virginia in 1797. Is it
possible that she is a descendant of Morgan Bryan, and she went to this
area in 1797 to have her child in safety with her parents? The reason I
believe this is plausible is because at that time, i.e., around 1797,
the area that Henry McDaniel, Jr. and Hannah were living was in
Greenbrier County, Virginia (Presently Monroe County, W. VA.) and at
that time this area was a wilderness area beset with many problems, from
wild animals to indian attacks. Now, her husband Henry stated in his
application for pension paper that he stayed in Greenbrier County until
he moved to Ohio in 1810, but it is probable that Hannah may have gone
back to live with her parents about the time that her son Bryan was
born, and that was why her son was born in Rockingham County, Virginia
in 1797. Since the matter of who her parents were is still an unsolved
mystery I believe this theory is plausible. What leads me to believe
this theory even more so, is the fact that she named this son BRYAN,
most likely to honor her parents.


Robert E. Bray (View posts)
Posted: 924350400000
Classification: Query
Surnames: CROMER
I am researching my Cromer line, which lived both in Laurel and Rockcastle counties. My mother was Ruby Cromer Bray (1924-1989) and her father was Fred L. Cromer, Sr. (1899-1971).
I believe our line came from Joseph Cromer - he was born in 1805 to John Cromer and his second wife, Sophia Whisman,in Rockinghma Co., VA. He first settled on 80 acres in Woods Fork of the Little Rockcastle River in Laurel Co., but later moved to Rockcastle Co. in 1832 and died there in the 1860's. Joseph and Mary Linville had 11 children:
Caroline - 1828
William - abt 1830-33
John - 1835
Jarvis Jackson - 1836
David - 1838
Adams - 1840
Henry - 1843
Ellen, Lucy, Martha, and Elizabeth

William married Elizabeth Renner - their daughter Sidney, born 1866, married J.W. Mink in 1885

Adams' wife was Jane Mink and their children:
Rachel - 1869
U.S.Grant - 1871
Mary - 1874
Margaret - 1878
John - 1880
Harvey - 1883
Felix - 1886

This info came from Jan Sparkman's book on the Cromer entitled, OUR FATHERS BEFORE US: A FAMILY JOURNAL. She also said that the Cromers came from Germany ans settled first in Lancaster, PA in the 1750's.

Hope this helps you some. Bob Bray

Joseph Adam b. 1855/1856 LCK md. Celia nee MINK CROMER b. 1853 VA

Jim Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 925214400000
Classification: Query
I have that my GG Grandfather, Joseph's parents were GGG Grandparents, Willian A. b. abt. 1832/33 KY & Elizabeth A. nee RENNER CROMER b. abt. 1839, KY. I have listed as their children in 1870 Roclcastle Co., KY:
Joseph A. Cromer b. 1855/1856
Mary M. b. 1859
Martha J. b. 1862
William M. b. 1864
Sidney E. b. 1868
Marhiller b. 1869/187

William & Elizabeth nee RENNER CROMER

Jim Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 927547200000
Classification: Query
Dear Cousin Bob, Seems like I keep getting confused about the William Cromers, Elizazbeth Renners and the William Linvilles. I have that our Elizabeth A. Renner m. William Cromer is the daughter of Westerfield Renner & Miranda nee Mize. I have found Westerfield Renner in Pulaski 1840 Census, and the Rockcastle 1870 Census, but I haven't a clue as where he came from or who his parents are. I'm suspicious about him being our Elizbeth's father. I'm hoping that you can set my mind to rest. Thanks. Cousin Jim

Re: William & Elizabeth nee RENNER CROMER

Posted: 1012058635000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1043098251000
Possible William Cromer born 1833 VA. son of George and Nora Cromer (madian name Bussell)

Re: Cromers of VA and KY

Posted: 1012088863000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1045103680000
James, could you fill me in on George and Nora Bussell Cromer from VA....I don't have then in my Cromer file? The William A. Cromer that married Elizabeth Renner on 29 May 1853 in Rockcastle Co, KY was the son of Joseph Cromer, b 1803 in Rockingham Co, VA, and Mary Linville, b 25 Jul 1810 in VA. Joseph and Mary were the founders of the Cromer line in Rockcastle Co, KY and my maternal 3rd great-grandparents.

Joseph Cromer was the son of John Cromer, b 22 Apr 1758 in Lancaster Co, PA, by his second wife, Sophia Whisman, b abt 1770 probably in VA. They were married on 13 Oct 1803 in Rockingham Co, VA. John Cromer's brother, Martin, also had moved from Lancaster Co, PA to Rockingham Co, VA and remained there. John and Sophia Cromer moved on to Laurel/Rockcastle Co, KY, and eventually settled in Harrison Co, IN, where they died.

There were also Cromers in Montgomery/Wythe Co, VA in the early 1800's which I believe were closely related also. William Cromer, b abt 1788 in PA or MD, possibly the son of Samuel Cromer, b abt 1750 in Lancaster Co, PA, and we think probably the brother of John and Martin Cromer. This William Cromer married Catherine Nevergall on 22 May 1800 in Augusta Co, VA. He died in 1809 in Montgomery Co, VA. Catherine then moved to Monroe Co, IN, along with several of her sons and families.

I would like to know what line of Cromers you are researching and compare notes!


Bob Bray
Cincinnati, Ohio

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