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Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277031084000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Carbin
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with a date and place of death for Thomas Carbin. Thomas arrived in Adelaide on The "Java" 6 Feb 1840 with his father (also Thomas) and his sister Mahala. His mother Ann died at sea. Thomas married Mary Ann South 14 Dec 1843 in Adelaide and they had at least 3 children -Charles W 1846-1850, Emma Rose 1850-1923 and an unknown child b & d 1851. On the 20 Dec 1851 Mary Ann Carbin (nee South) married Edward Prowse in Geelong, Vic. So... Thomas must have died in 1851?? but I haven't been able to find any record of this. I would appreciate any help.

Thanks, kind regards, Alison

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277081497000
Classification: Query
Hi Alison
The only CARBIN death on the SA register up to 1915
Digger - South Australian Deaths Registrations 1842 to 1915


Query
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Surname : carbin (1 matches)

Total matching records: 1
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Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Ann
Date: 1861-01-31
Sex: F
Age: 53y
Status: M
Relative: Thomas CARBIN (H)
Relative 2:
Residence: Adelaide
Death Place: Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 9
Page: 214
Cross Reference:

The only CARBINs on the Vic register up to 1888
Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888


Query
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Surname : carbin (6 matches)

Total matching records: 6
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Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Mary Wedd
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Ebenezer
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother:
Age: 31
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMB
Death Place:
Year: 1855
Reg Number: 4464
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Thomas
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother:
Age: 50
Sex:
Birth Place: U
Death Place:
Year: 1872
Reg Number: 1571
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Thomas
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Grace
Age: 76
Sex:
Birth Place: U
Death Place:
Year: 1872
Reg Number: 966
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Thomas
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: WEDD
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary Maria
Age:
Sex: M
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1851
Reg Number: 5749
Denomination: Church of England
Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE
Fiche: 963

Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Mahala
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: LITTLE
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: John
Age:
Sex: F
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1857
Reg Number: 3748
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Emma Prowse
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: ASHMORE
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Edward Alfred
Age:
Sex: F
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1875
Reg Number: 99
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

So looks like they moved to Vctoria ?
Possibly Thomas { father and son's deaths} and sister Mahalia's marriage.

regards
Alison

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277105687000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Carbin
Thanks Alison,
It is odd but my (married) name is also Alison Williams - I got quite confused for a moment there!! There is also an Alison Williams who is a very good aboriginal artist!

Thank-you for your information. Mahala Carbin was Thomas' sister and Emma Prowse Carbin was Thomas Carbin and Mary Ann South's child(she took the Prowse from her stepfather who married her mother in 1851. Ann Carbin was Thomas senior's second wife.

I wonder if the Thomas who married in 1851 was him. If so, do you know if they had official divorces then or was abandonment enough to marry again?

Thanks, Alison williams!

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277124048000
Classification: Query
Thanks Rhonda and Kellie,

That certainly makes my research more interesting!

Did the records show if Thomas and his second wife Mary Maria Wedd had any children?

Thanks, Alison

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277165190000
Classification: Query
Hi Alison and Kellie

Just checked the marriage record for Mary Ann to Edward PROWSE in 1851, and she called herself a Widow!

Rhonda

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277190825000
Classification: Query
Thanks Rhonda,

A widow, Hmmmmm. I think she was probably quite a woman - she married Edward Prowse, an architect in Geelong in 1851 and had several children and then, when he died, she married William Weire, the town clerk of Geelong - so she certainly worked her way up in the world!

Is it possible for you to check if Thomas said that he was a widower when he married Mary Wedd in 1851? I guess that Adelaide to Melbourne was so far that they figured that no one would ever know!

Thanks again,
kind regards,
Alison

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277191870000
Classification: Query
Hi Alison

This was the marriage record posted by Alison and the VIC Index did not show Status like SA records. I assume the actual certificate would contain more details.
Surname: CARBIN
Given Names: Thomas
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: WEDD
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary Maria
Age:
Sex: M
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1851
Reg Number: 5749
Denomination: Church of England
Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE
Fiche: 963


Actually, the CARBIN & PROWSE marriage was in SA.
South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1842-1916
Groom: Edward PROWSE
Bride: Mary Ann CARBIN
Date: 1851-12-20
Groom Age: 27
Status: N
Groom's Father: [unrecorded]
Bride Age: 27
Status: W
Bride's Father: [unrecorded]
Place: Christ Church Adelaide
District: Ade
Symbol: A
Book/Page: 6/165


Rhonda

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277198250000
Classification: Query
Thanks again Rhonda,

I think I will get a copy of the marriage certificate for Thomas' second marriage and his death certificate and see if there were any children listed on his death certificate.

Thanks again for all your help,

kind regards,

Alison

Re: Death date and place for Thomas Carbin d abt 1851 please

Posted: 1277199080000
Classification: Query
Hi Alison,
Thomas is listed as single..
Thomas actually married in June 1851 so about 6 months before Mary remarried in December.

Kellie
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