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William Wenban (brother of John)

William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1233829031000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Wenban
My mother was Lucia Veanie Wenban,youngest daughter of William Henry Wenban (1859-1919).I remember my mother mentioning that she had cousins? Archie and Lorna Ray and siblings Percie, David, Phyllis and Phoebe (that I can remember). My information from birth/ death notices NSW is that her father was son of William Wenban (1826-1991) and Catherine Munro, who were married in 1851.From this point I lost the trail. My mother mentioned that her family history had been recorded in an old family bible and also that an ancestor had been killed in a buggy accident. From what I have read here and from other sources, I am assuming the Wenbans of Sussex are ancestors. Is there anyone out there able to enlighten me further please? One of my sons is currently in UK and is keen to visit the place of his ancestors . However I don't want to send him on a wild goose chase, so I am trying to track the line backwards. I have read that a William, brother of John came to Aus and he appears to be the link I require b4 I can send my son off to Sussex. Is there someone who knows about John's brother William please?

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1233878991000
Classification: Query
Yaay I found the link.. well hopefully. William Wenban (1826-1891) was son of William Wenban (b 1802 Hawkhurst and d 1878 Sydney NSW Aus) and Mary Anne Odiam (b Hawkhurst 1802 and died 1880 Sydney, NSW Aus).
Son in UK was speaking to woman from Home Office who suggested national archives. There is a website attached to archives where I found much info. I am very grateful to a woman from Canberra, ACT who appears to have done much research on the same line. If she reads this, many thanks!

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1233917179000
Classification: Query
I have forwarded your message to Lorna (nee Wenban) in who now lives near Brisbane and she is daughter of Ray Wenban. She may be the Lorna to whom you refer.

As to visiting Wenbans house this is in private ownership and visitors, Wenbans or not, are not welcomed but it is the house from which the whole family originated. You should look up the web site of Wenbans put up in Oz by Myles Wenban for more information. Other Wenban genealogists in Australia will probably respond to your message.

Peter Wenban / Suffolk, England

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1233921543000
Classification: Query
Thank you Peter. I have received an email from Myles and he has informed me I am on correct path. My mum mentioned Lorna Rae and Uncle Ray, Ossie and others when she spoke of her family. Mum was youngest of William Wenban (1859-1919)I believe his son David may have had a son to carry on the Wenban name, but other son Percie had one daughter.Uncle Percie tried to track down the large family bible that had been passed down from William to William to William. My grandfather died when mum was six and the children were sent to different relatives to be raised. The eldest, a daughter Phyllis, was given the bible. Apparently she gave the bible away to some charity, and Percie was unable to trace it, so the written record passed down from William and Mary Anne Wenban(Odiam) was lost.
I have visited the Wenban site,and have already emailed son Gareth to inform him that he could visit the church, but not the farm. I have found this journey a fascinating one.
Many Thanks,
Regards,
Diana

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1234128578000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Wenban/ Ford
Hi Diana,
The family bible that you speak of is still sort of in the in the family!
It was passed down to one of John Wenbans daughters who married a Ford, so is actually in the possession of a son down the Ford line.
I have had contact with the Ford fellow who has been going to send me a photo of the bible for some time now but he is not very computer literate and could take some doing!
Regards
F.Myles Wenban

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1234131052000
Classification: Query
Well done Myles and very helpful to this lady.

Peter

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1234175357000
Classification: Query
Gosh and there I was believing poor Aunty Phyllis to be a penny short of a pound!It's pleasing to know a precious family relic hasn't been relegated to obscurity, or worse, binned at some point.
When William Henry died in 1919, his widow Rosa Adela spent little time dispatching his 5 children,apparently to better her own chances of re-marriage.She managed to do this in what the Wenban children felt was indecent haste.Eldest Phyllis was considered old enough to work as someone's home help, the two boys, Boy(Uncle Percie) and David were packed off to Goulburn???? to help on a farm, and the two younger girls, Phoebe and Lucia(aged 6), were sent to live with two elderly spinster "aunts" who ran a boarding school for girls. This brings me to my next ponderable.
My mother said these obscure elderly spinsters were of scottish origin. This discussion with my mother resulted when I asked her why she often said,
"Ah come awah and chew pipe clay!" (translation = Stop talking nonsense?)
Mum told me about the ancient crones who raised her on bible passages and platitudes.
I had reached a dead end with Catherine Munro, mother of William. Her father was listed as George Munro, but mother unknown on her birth certificate and I could find no clue as to where George had come from.
These past few weeks, memories long forgotten have been resurfacing, so when I remembered the elderly scottish spinsters, I began to wonder if they were in fact related to George and that perhaps he had emmigrated from Scotland. The names George Munro and Catherine Munro appear quite frequently in scottish records.Even if this is true, it still doesn't tell me why George failed to put Catherine's mother's name on the birth notice.
Well I've waffled on long enough. Thank you Myles and Peter for your help. I look forward to reading the history Lorna compiled.
Regards,
Diana

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1234214680000
Classification: Query
This message is being reposted with amended information
Administrator.
Perhaps you'd let me know where your son is in the UK. My great uncle Donald and my uncle Archie did the comprehensive groundwork for the whole family history, focussing on our branch but amassing a wealth of data about other branches in all parts of the world. I have all their material at my house in Suffolk and he may care to visit. Give hinm my contact details :- e-mail: peterwenban@hotmail.com

Lorna Jennaway (nee Wenban) did the comprehensive family tree of Australian Wenbans which is in the national archive and people like Myles and Jenny in Oz are carrying on her good work

Regards,

Peter

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1234360019000
Classification: Query
William Wenban 1802-1878, William Wenban 1822-1891, William Henry Wenban 1859-1919. William Henry Wenban was my grandfather,so I am gr. gr. grandaughter of William and Mary Anne(Odiam) Wenban and gr.gr.gr. grandaughter of Thomas and Dinah Burgess????? I feel quite ancient!
Ray Wenban was my great Uncle(brother of William Henry Wenban?) and Lorna mum's cousin, so she must be my second cousin????
I haven't thought much about relatives before and I am getting quite a buzz discovering I have so many!
Mum left Sydney and the family behind her and moved to Victoria in the forties. I think when Rosa Adela split the children up they ceased to be family and each went their own way, sadly. When I was a child we re-established contact with, and visited,Uncle Boy (Percie) who was living in Lane Cove, and Aunty Phoebe who was up Gosford way.All their children, my cousins, were already adults and I am the youngest of that generation, so had little in common with them.
Uncle Boy was researching the family history back then (sixties) ,and it was he who told me about the family bible. I really hope the Ford mentioned has the original family bible, as Boy was devastated when he heard Phyllis had given it away. He said it was a large leather bound bible. I gather it may have been a pulpit bible. He remembered it well as his father used to read it to them every evening. Boy also said the family tree was recorded in the front pages and cover.

Re: William Wenban (brother of John)

Posted: 1234447890000
Classification: Query
Surnames: burgis, wenban
Hi Diana,
Juust to give you more family to ponder..I am a descendant of Dinah's brother, William Burgis. It is actually Burgis altho long long ago before Dinah, it was spelled many ways. I have a lot of burgis info if you like and if you gather any, I would like very much to hear of it. Can you give me any more info on the Wm. and Mary who arrived in Australia? when did they arrive and with which children? Tryphena, Samuel and Sophia were all born and baptised in Sandhurst but that is all that I could find. My e mail is beemchen@usa.net
Hope to hear from you
Carol
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