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Frank and Mary Schwab of Manitowoc Co, WI

Frank and Mary Schwab of Manitowoc Co, WI

Tom Lutz (View posts)
Posted: 1033566010000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1033661706000
Surnames: Fischer, Gaerthoefner, Kautza, McCabe, Pfister, Schwab, Sprang
Looking for information about the ancestries of Franz Xavier "Frank" Schwab, b.1811 (place unknown) and his wife, Mary Pfister, b.1824 (place unknown). Frank and Mary had eight known children;
1) Mary (my gr gr grndmthr) born 1850 in NY, MI or WI and who married Michael Gaerthoefner in Manitowoc Co, WI,
2) Frank born 1854 (place unknown),
3) Joseph? born place and date unknown and who married Rosa Sprang,
4) Edward born 1862 somewhere in MI and who married Margaret Ann McCabe in WI,
5) Ambrose born 1863 in MI or Manitowoc Co, WI and who married Annie Kautza likely in WI,
6) Rudolf born 1866 in Manitowoc Co, WI,
7) Wisebold? born about 1867 (place unknown),
8) John born 1869 in Manitowoc Co, WI,
Would also appreciate any info about Frank and Mary's location in MI before coming to Manitowoc Co, WI. It's also possible that Frank had a prior or later marriage to a Johanna Fischer.
Tom Lutz

Re: Frank and Mary Schwab of Manitowoc Co, WI

Johan Moris (View posts)
Posted: 1035538813000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Schwab, Kautzer
Have a look at the 1870 Federal Census of Eaton Township at www.2manitowoc.com. It will give you some info on the children's birthplaces and their aprox. year of birth.
Ambrose Schwab married Annie Kautzer (not Kauza) at St. Nazianz 2 July 1889. Her father, Matthias Kautzer, was born abt 1838 in Prussia and died 21 November 1886 at St.Nazianz. Her mother is called Luise, born abt 1837 in Saxony.
Hope this will help you in your search.
Johan

Re: Frank and Mary Schwab of Manitowoc Co, WI

Tom Lutz (View posts)
Posted: 1035550931000
Classification: Query
Johan
Good to hear from you. Your name was just given to me by Joachim Eitel as someone who is looking for info about the St.Nazianz Colony.
I have looked at some of this census info both online and at archival locations in Manitowoc Co. Actually I was looking for ancestral information about Franz Xaver Schwab and his wife Maria Pfister - and a possible 2nd wife, Johanna Fischer. Joachim was kind enough to share his great German Schwab ancestral materials this week in exchange for my American info. Now I'm focusing on the wives.
So you know, the name is actually spelled Kautza. That's the way it's spelled in the St.Gregory church records and on the church cemetery's gravestones in St.Nazianz. Wherever you found your version, I suspect your Kautzer is an Americanized or Germanized version of a Polish/Prussia original. Also Annie Kautza Schwab's mother was actually Anna Maria Bechmann. That's the way it is on Annie and Ambrose's marriage record at St.Gregory's.
Feel free to contact me directly at my email address. Thanks
Tom

Re: Frank and Mary Schwab of Manitowoc Co, WI

Tom Lutz (View posts)
Posted: 1036027279000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1036173882000
Surnames: Kautza, Kautzer
Johann:
I must amend my last email to you. Today, I looked at the 1900 US census for Eaton and Liberty Townships in Manitowoc County and the spelling was as you had it, "Kautzer". There was also a Kautza in Eaton Township but they listed Norway as their place of origin. Apparently Fr.Osswald at St.Nazianz prefered to spell it one way, the census taker another. I won't guess how the various branches of this prefered it until I have further information.
Tom

Anna Kautzer/Kautza

Johan Moris (View posts)
Posted: 1036244558000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1036433684000
Surnames: Bechmann, Kautza, Kautzer, Kestell
Tom,
have you visited the Kestell-Kautzer Familiy Tree?

http://www.bytehead.com/~kautzer/kautza_ig.html#thomas

Anna might have been born as a Kautza and married as a Kautzer. You wrote me, the marriage record at St. Gregory's lists Kautzer. What about her birth record? Town Eaton?
The Kestell-Kautzer website gives Louisa Bechmann as her mother.
Johan

Re: Anna Kautzer/Kautza

Tom Lutz (View posts)
Posted: 1036277064000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1036433539000
Surnames: Kautza, Kautzer
Johan:
Thank you. Yes I've seen parts of this before. Growing up in the Sheboygan area, I know something about many of the families who appear in this genealogy. This site clearly indicates that the Kautza's and Kautzer's are blood related, which should answer that lingering question. Why are you researching these people? Are you related?
Tom

Re: Anna Kautzer/Kautza

Johan Moris (View posts)
Posted: 1037784645000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1037868568000
Surnames: Kautza, Kautzer, Oschwald, Schwab
Tom,
I am not related at all, but researching the history of the St. Nazianz Colony founded by Father Ambros Oschwald. This priest emigrated from Baden, Germany, in 1854 and founded a Roman Catholic Community at St. Nazianz. The Kautza/Kautzer family does not belong to the early settlers, however Franz Xaver Schwab is mentioned in a list of the "Ureinwohner".
The reason for my research on St. Nazianz is another one. In 1896 the Society of the Divine Savior (a Society of Fathers and Brothers, also called Salvatorians) took over Father Oschwald's heritage. The early history of the Salvatorians at St. Nazianz was rather heavily influenced by the preceding Oschwald era. Can you follow this roundabout?
You are always welcome at johan.moris@pi.be
Johan

Re: Anna Kautzer/Kautza

Tom Lutz (View posts)
Posted: 1037793007000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1037868668000
Surnames: Schwab
Johan:
Thank you for the note. Two of the questions I am trying to resolve are 1) when did Franz Xaver Schwab leave Germany and 2) when did he settle at St.Nazianz, Wisconsin. You said he was mentioned on the list of the "Ureinwohner". Does this mean he came to St.Nazianz with the original group of colonists in 1854?
I ask because I have some records that indicate that his 1st child (my gr grandmother Mary) was born in New York in 1850 and another later child (Edward) MAY have been born in Michigan as late as 1862, BEFORE the first CONFIRMED Wisconsin-born child (Ambrose) was born at St.Nazianz in 1863. Is this possible if Franz Xaver was on the list of the "Ureinwohner"?
Tom Lutz

Re: Anna Kautzer / Kautza

Johan Moris (View posts)
Posted: 1043224016000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1043342531000
Surnames: Kautza, Kautzer, Schwab
Tom,
Sorry for this late answer. As regarding your 2nd question I do agree with you that F. X. Schwab did not belong to the early settlers of St. Nazianz. The list of "Ureinwohner" I took my information from is undated. Most probably it was made up in the twenties (or even later). However, at that time people who came to St. Nazianz in the 1860ies were also considered to be "Ureinwohner", I would imagine.
Next week I am visiting the archives of the Society of the Divine Savior (Salvatorians) in Rome, where I found this list. I will check it, try to find out more about its origin, and send you a copy after my return.
It is interesting to see that F.X. Schwab's St. Nazianz-born child was given the name of the founder of St. Nazianz Ambrose Oschwald.
Johan Moris
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