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John Samuel Beer (1832-1906), butcher, b. Devonport, Engl. & Susannah Austin (1843-1911) b. Ire., d. Wentworth, Ontario, Canada

John Samuel Beer (1832-1906), butcher, b. Devonport, Engl. & Susannah Austin (1843-1911) b. Ire., d. Wentworth, Ontario, Canada

Posted: 1354436025000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1355197189000
Surnames: Beer Austin Back Grieve
My maternal 2nd G-grandfather, John Samuel Beer (29 Dec 1832-31 Mar 1906), was born in Devonport, Devon, England and he married my 2nd G-grandmother, Eliza Ann Back (1831-1862) in 1854. He was a butcher. They had 5 children, of whom only my G-grandfather John Samuel Beer, Jr. (1858-1934), also a butcher, was the only child to survive beyond 3 years of age.

I've recently established that John Samuel Beer, Sr. (1832-1906) emigrated to Wentworth, Ontario, Canada (in the 1870's) and had 7 children with Susannah Austin (1843-1911), who was born in Ireland, but have been unable to locate a marriage record. Their children were as follows:
- Sarah Elizabeth Beer ( 1878-?);
- Louisa A. Beer (1879-?);
- Mary Sophia Beer (1880-?);
- James Beer (1882-?);
- Ada M. Beer (1883-?);
- George Greig Beer (1885-?), who married Elder Viola Sarah Gay (1882-?) in 1910;
- Charles William Beer (1888-?).

I had heard from my mother that John Samuel Beer, Jr. (1853-1934) and his wife Elizabeth Grieve (1858-1939), who married in Liverpool in 1879, took a trip to Canada to visit a relative (presumably his father) ~1880's, but they returned to England and raised their family in Liverpool and Birkenhead.

John Samuel Beer, Sr. died in Wentworth, Ontario on 31 Mar 1906. Susannah Beer died 13 Jul 1911.

If you know anything about John Samuel Beer or Susannah nee Austin in Ontario, or their ancestors, I'd love to know more. I know a fair amount about his life in Devonport and am happy to share this.

Thanks, Sue.

Re: John Samuel Beer (1832-1906), butcher, b. Devonport, Engl. & Susannah Austin (1843-1911) b. Ire., d. Wentworth, Ontario, Canada

Posted: 1354488367000
Classification: Query
is this a possibility for marriage?

Name: James Byre
[James Bye]
Birth Place: England
Residence: Hope Township
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Father Name: Thomas Byr
Mother Name: Sarah Byr
Spouse Name: Susanna M. Austin
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1844
Spouse Birth Place: Hope Township
Spouse Residence: Hope Township
Spouse Father Name: James Austin
Spouse Mother Name: Marian Austin
Marriage Date: 19 May 1863
Marriage County or District: Northumberland and Durham

1901 census
Name: Susannah Beer
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 57
Birth Day & Month: 12 Jul
Birth Year: 1843
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Immigration Year: 1853
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Baptist
Province: Ontario
District: Hamilton (city/cité)
District Number: 69
Sub-District: Hamilton (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 7
Sub-District Number: G-3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John S Beer 68
Susannah Beer 57
Sarah Beer 23
Louise Beer 21
Mary Beer 20
James Beer 18
Ada Beer 17
George Beer 16
Charles Beer 13

1911 census
Name: Susanna Beer
Gender: Female
Age: 67
Birth Date: Jul 1844
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1842
Tribal: Irish
Province: Ontario
District: Hamilton East
District Number: 77
Sub-District: Ward one
Sub-District Number: 2
Place of Habitation: 128 Grant A
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Susanna Beer 67
Sarah E Beer 31
Louia O Beer 29
Mary S Beer 26
James Beer 24
Ada M Beer 22
George Beer 25
Chas Wm Beer 20

Re: John Samuel Beer (1832-1906), butcher, b. Devonport, Engl. & Susannah Austin (1843-1911) b. Ire., d. Wentworth, Ontario, Canada

Posted: 1354513244000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Beer Austin
Hello:

Thanks for your reply.

I located the same 1901 and 1911 censuses you have shown, plus those for 1881 and 1891, which I’m sure are those for “my” John Beer, butcher + Susannah. These consistently show Susannah as being born in Ireland, not in Hope county as on the potential marriage record you found for Susannah M Austin to James Bye – and also an 1891 census for James Bye (b. ~1838, England) and Susan M Bye (b. ~1845, Ontario). I therefore don't think this is the correct Susannah Austin.

The writing on Susannah’s death record is very faded and I couldn’t decipher anything for her mother’s name, although her father’s name is possibly James. I couldn’t find any marriage records in Ontario for John Beer to anyone named Susannah. There is one for another John Samuel Beer to Elizabeth Guy on 29 Dec 1898 in Toronto – but the parents (George Beer and Mercy Ellen Blake – “my” John Samuel Beer’s parents were John Barrett Beer and Sarah Priscilla Couch), occupation (machinist, rather than butcher) and place of birth (London, rather than Devon) are incorrect, so that is definitely for someone else.

Incidentally, the 1901 Census for “my” John Beer shows an emigration date of 1870, but I think it was somewhere between 1871 and 1877, as he is still shown on the 1871 Census in England and everything on that is compatible with the 1841/1851/1861 England censuses plus everything else I know about him. His oldest daughter with Susannah was Sarah Elizabeth Beer, who was born in Wentworth on 19 Feb 1878. I have found a Passport Application on 29 Apr 1874 for “J Beer”, which is a possibility, but it is on a register and no other information is provided to indicate whether it might be correct.

As later records come on-line for Ontario, I'm hoping it may be possible to find out what happened to the 7 children.

Sue.
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