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Posted: 1375907147000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Cross, Bertram, Grant, Clinkscale, Dick
Elizabeth Cross died Pincher Creek, Alberta, Canada 11 February 1970. James Bertram died Pincher Creek, Alberta, Canada 3 January 1965. I only recently discovered what became of Elizabeth through an internet search.

My grandmother was Rose Minnie Cross. Elizabeth Cross was her sister. Their parents were my great grandparents, Thomas Cross, born 1 August 1850 in Maidstone, Kent and died 19 March 1929 in Edinburgh and Elizabeth Atkins, born 11 December 1853 in Linton, Kent and died 11 October 1924 in Edinburgh.

My grandmother had seven sisters and two brothers:

Thomas Joseph Cross born 12 May 1875 in Battersea, London
ELIZABETH SARAH CROSS born 11 January 1877 in Wandsworth, London
Harriet Ellen Cross born 1 September 1878 in Kent and died 16 July 1948 in Edinburgh
Clara Cross born 15 April 1880 in Kent
Anne Cross born 31 December 1881 in Kent, married James Clinkscale, and died on 1 July 1964 in Peebles
Emily Ada Cross born 1 October 1883 in Kent
Mary Cross born 22 May 1885 in Kent, married William Dick, parents of twins Beth & Jean Dick
Stella Cross born 11 October 1887 in Kent, died 28 November 1936 in Edinburgh
Harry Albert Cross born 30 December 1889 in Kent married Annie Wardlaw Grant, sister of David Webster Grant. They emigrated to Canada in 1926.

My grandmother, ROSE MINNIE CROSS, was the youngest and the only one born in Edinburgh on 12 February 1892 and died in Edinburgh on 2 September 1955. She married Annie Wardlaw Grant’s brother, my grandfather David Webster Grant.

The Cross family moved to Edinburgh from Kent sometime between the birth of Harry in 1889 and the 1891 Census.

In the 1891 Census, the year before my grandmother was born, Elizabeth was not with the family. She would have been 14 years old and perhaps working “in service”, but obviously not in Scotland because I’ve checked out the Scottish Census. She may have stayed on in England or been working there. It is possible that my grandmother may even never have met Elizabeth.

Elizabeth’s husband, James Bertram, was born in Berwickshire and I found his birth certificate at New Register House in Edinburgh. I could find no record of their marriage or the births of any of their children. Did they marry in England? Were the children Elizabeth, George, Thomas, James, John, Janet and Stella born there, or in Canada? Can anyone shed any light on this for me?

I am in the process of researching Rose Minnie Cross’s grandfather’s life [Thomas Cross, who married Sarah Sharp]. He joined the army in 1825, sailed to Van Diemen’s Land in 1827 as part of the military escort on a convict ship, then sailed with the army to India. He was on board the ship “Wellesley” when the 40th Regiment of Foot sailed to “take Karachi” in 1839. He marched through Afghanistan with Major General Nott in 1842 after the annihilation of the British garrison at Kabul. He received medals inscribed “Kandahar, Ghazni & Kabul 1842” and also “Maharajpore”. He died in Chelsea Hospital on 1 June 1898 and is buried in Brookwood Necropolis in Chelsea Old Plot in an unmarked grave.

I still have a great deal of research to do and I’m in the process of transcribing the muster rolls to that end [only for my own research, not for publication].

I don’t know exactly when Thomas was born and I don’t think he did either. He must have looked to be 16 years old because the army gave him his date of enlistment as his 16th birthday. That means he was “born” on 16 June 1809, and he said he was born in Marden, Kent, with father also called Thomas. I’ve been to Kent and researched Marden baptisms but there’s no sign of him there. There WAS a Thomas Cross baptised about 15 months before that in Marden, but his father’s name was Henry.

I would be interested to hear what became of my grandmother’s sister, Elizabeth. I’m sure her descendants would be interested in hearing of Elizabeth’s grandfather’s life too.

Diana Grant


Posted: 1375988195000
Classification: Query
It appears that you have Ancestry family tree access.

There is a family tree posted with the James Bertram and Elizabeth Cross family including pictures and family details.

Check for James Bertram.
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