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very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1169419783000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Kurysh Kuresh
Looking for information on the surname Kurysh. Grandfather Jacob Kurysh born about 1888 to Saphat and Palagie Kurysh (nee Komarnicka). According to a Canadian marrige certificate of 1912 he was born in Harysmiv Horodenka. His death certificate just states place of birth as Austria.I am unable to find any records of immigration or naturalization for him or any Kurysh family members. I have also checked the census'. Our family has used the spelling Kuresh for many years now if that helps. If any one can help it would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you.

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1170267620000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Kurych / Kurycz / Kuresh / Kurysh - Komarnicky / Komarnicka
The surname was/is difficult to transliterate/sounds like.

Ukrainian Transliteration Table
http://pages.prodigy.net/l.hodges/translit.htm

There are variant spellings: Kurych, Kurycz, Kuresh and Kurysh. I have even seen a Josef Kruszcz in Ellis Island Records. This fellow was also from Horodenka. Probably same surname, but poorly transliterated. He came to work in Philadelphia. Most likely returned after earning some money??? Canadian Archives shows a Marya Kurycz immigrating to Canada in 1921. There is a Jack Kurysh listed in Canadian Naturalization Records???
Dated 6/29/1922. There is also a Jacko Kurysz from Austria, naturalized 9/29/1924. He was living in E. Kildonan, Man.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-505.004-e.html

Jacob/YAKIV Kurysh???? was from what was informally referred to as the Pokutia Region of what is Southwestern Ukraine today.

This is a picture of a Ruthenian/Ukrainian family dressed in their Sunday attire. They are from Horodenka district.
http://www.umacleveland.org/image/Costumes/011.htm

From late 18th century to 1919, wies/village Harasymiow (Polish name) was predominantly a Ruthenian village w/its own Greek Catholic Church > Horodenka was the administrative
district (powiat) and Obertyn was the judicial/tax district (gmina) > Stanislawskie Wojiwodstwo/Region (became Ivano-Frankivska Region post 1964?)> Galicia/HALYCHYNA Province, administered by ethnic Poles for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Anyone emigrating during this time frame was listed as coming from Austria. The filial Roman Catholic Church was in Woronow.

"Did Your Baba Come from Austria?" by Orysia Tracz
http://www.infoukes.com/genealogy/tracz/baba.html

From 1919 - 1938 this Stanislawow Region became part of Reconstituted Poland. Poland had not existed as a geopolitical entity for previous 125 yrs. Anyone emigrating
during this time frame was listed as Polish national. Post WW2 this region became part of SSR Ukraine until 1991, when it became independent.

TODAY selo/village Harasymiv (Ukr name) is located in a different district, Tlumachskij (Tlumach) raion/district > Ukraine (abbr UA), latest zip code is 78051

I don't see that LDS has filmed the metrikal records from Harasymiv.

You may have to make an inquire either at the State Archives for Ivano Frankivsk or at the Historical Archives in Lviv. E-mail below and ask where Greek Catholic metrikal records for selo Harasymiv, formerly in Horodenka, today in Tlumach, can be located.

State Archives of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast
[Derzhavnyi arkhiv Ivano-Frankivskoi oblasti]
42a Sahaidachnoho,
76006 Ivano-Frankivsk
Tel/Fax: (03422) 4-90-77; 6-38-16
E-mail: daifo@il.if.ua
Working hours: Monday-Friday, 8:00-17:00

Once you obtain some metrikal data re family, write Village Administrator in Harasymiv and make an inquiry re any surviving relatives still in the village. Communicating in Ukrainian is ideal. If you have no one local to help you w/Ukrainian, I can recommend someone to translate for you. Rates very reasonable.

Holovi Silskoji Rady
selo Harasymiv
Tlumachskij raion
Ivano-Frankivska Oblast
Ukraine 78051

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1170284895000
Classification: Query
Thank you! You have helped me understand some of the terminology I wasn't too sure about and a couple of new avenues to check out. I am a little curious about Josef Kruszcz and will check the Ellis Island archives again. My grandfather Jacob's fathers name was Saphat according to a marriage certificate. I believe that translates to Josef. The only thing I know for sure is that Jacob was married in Winnipeg in 1912. It is his marriage certificate that I have obtained all my information from.
I find Ukrainian research very frustrating and I do not know the language so if you could recomend someone trustworthy I would be very grateful!
Thanks again,
Lynda Winfield

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1170292720000
Classification: Query
You are doing very well.
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You are very lucky to have that marriage certificate.

Saphat = Josephat

Palagie = Palagea or Pelagea (Greek origin meaning of the sea) Two martyrs listed on Orthodox Calendar. One born in May and other in October.Frequently Ruthenian children were named by local priest as per saints listed on Orthodox Christian Calendar.

(Ellis Island) Josef's wife is not named Pelagea. Not particularly legible, but does look like it starts w/KA????
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Vitalij is a scholar at Brandeis University in Boston. vivandr@brandeis.edu His wife, Iryna, does the translating. Both are very helpful.

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1170372517000
Classification: Query
Once again thank you. Especially the information about the name Palagie. I like that. I suppose with that information one might assume that she was born in May or October.
Thanks for the encouragement...I will keep going.
Lynda

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1192462761000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Kurysh
Hi there Lynda. I am also looking for Jacob Kurysh who was also my grandfather. I'm not sure if it is the same person. I get the feeling from Aunties that there was a secret there.
My grandfather married Mary Zombra in 1922/23 and moved from Winnipeg/Morden, Man to Thunder Bay, then known as Fort William. HOWEVER, I have a feeling that your Jacob was my Jacob and was married before to Paracieve Stasiuk. If so they lost 2 or 3 children and no further mentio is made of them as a couple after 1919. My grandfather died in 1932, when my father was 2. He spoke Ukranian and Polish. He was studying for his Engineering ticket at the time of his sudden death from septusaemia. I have got a copy of the marriage cert of Jacob Kurysh and Parasieve Stasiuk (known as Bessie). I bought this from the Maniboba archives. If you are interested in helping each other out here let me know. We may be related!!!!! best wishes Mary-Rose (I live in Australia!!!!!!!)

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1192573775000
Classification: Query
Hi Mary Rose,
I am very interested in speaking with you further. There are many similarities but some conflicting info as well. My grandfather Jacob also died suddenly in 1932 but a copy of his death certificate shows he was buried in Saskatchewan. Also a P Kuresh signed it. Kuresh is how we spell our name now and the P stands for Pearl or Paracieve. There is also a Bill Kurysh who signed it. The Jacob and Pearl in my family had 5 children and I don't know if they lost any. It's very possible. Pearl was pregnant with my father and his twin sister when Jacob passed away.
What was your dads name and did have any siblings? Do you by chance have a photo of your Jacob that we might compare?
Look forward to hearing from you.. I have lots more questions :-) My guess is that you do too.
Thanks for contacting me,
Lynda

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1192573782000
Classification: Query
Hi Mary Rose,
I am very interested in speaking with you further. There are many similarities but some conflicting info as well. My grandfather Jacob also died suddenly in 1932 but a copy of his death certificate shows he was buried in Saskatchewan. Also a P Kuresh signed it. Kuresh is how we spell our name now and the P stands for Pearl or Paracieve. There is also a Bill Kurysh who signed it. The Jacob and Pearl in my family had 5 children and I don't know if they lost any. It's very possible. Pearl was pregnant with my father and his twin sister when Jacob passed away.
What was your dads name and did have any siblings? Do you by chance have a photo of your Jacob that we might compare?
Look forward to hearing from you.. I have lots more questions :-) My guess is that you do too.
Thanks for contacting me,
Lynda

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1192617732000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Kurysh/Kurish
Hi Lynda,
Great to hear from you. First of all, I do have a photo of Jacob john Kurysh know also a Jack or John. The family now spells it Kurish. He and Mary had 3 or 4 kids. There was AuntFrances, who is still living at the brave age of 92 somewhere on Victoria Island. Then there is Aunt Dorothy who is about 85 and lives in Thunder Bay. There was also Aunt Beatrice (deceased). My Dad, Ken (now 75) was the youngest and only boy. He was 2 when his Dad died in 1934 - I think I said 1932 but that is not correct as I have a copy of his death cert. Anyway, I know that Jack came over from what was then Austria with a first cousin. They were sent out by their Grandfather as things were either difficult or dangerous at home. Maybe these 2 were first cousins. Apparently the grandfather was a well known civil engineer who built mainly bridges. The 2 cousins had a big falling out and the last time they spoke to each other was in early 1930,s. My Jack was a violinist so the family is very musical. It is such an unusual name I cant envisage that they weren't related. If you send me a direct email address I'll try to get my daughter to show me how to email a copy of the photo, the death certs and anything I feel might be of interest. Cant wait to hear back. I have 3 bothers and a sister. My dad and the boys are, I think the only Kurish's listed in the Canadian telephone directories. My emial address is draftden@bigpond.net.au
Take care, Mary-Rose Campbell

Re: very frustrated-need help

Posted: 1192669510000
Classification: Query
Hi Mary Rose,
It's me again. The email address you posted came back undeliverable. You can contact me at longview5@aol.com.
Lynda
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