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+Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN.

+Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN.

Posted: 1479756400000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1482902601000
A number of my cousins have copied a record for Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins who lived in Smith County, TN long after OUR Thomas Cartwright died (1814) in Blount County, TN. Thomas of Blount's widow Mary (maiden name unknown) had children that were not only named in his will but the entire group moved west over the years. Which made them easy to follow. Their children were sons: Matthew, John Nelson, James Robertson and Thomas and daughters Nancy, Mary 'Polly' & Sarah. (Sarah cannot be seen in other records). All of these children went first to Lawrence County, TN by 1830 (I think they were still back in Blount in 1810/1820 for they cannot be found & the Blount census was lost. That implies we know where they WEREN'T). By 1835 the entire group, along with the George Rogers family all moved to Tippah County, MS. They are seen in various tax lists, land records and censuses. They are in the 1840, 1850, 1860, etc. Federal censuses.
I urge any researcher following the family of Thomas of Blount to NOT use the Smith County Thomas Cartwright family. Again, the Thomas of the Lawrence, TN/Tippah family died in 1814 acc to his will. Also, youngest son Thomas was b in that year and he is the last child in the family which I believe supports the death of the father. Thank you and as researchers we should post families only when we have either a Source or explain our evidence. Shirley (Cartwright/Rogers) McKenzie

Re: +Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN.

Posted: 1496203846000
Classification: Query
Do you have the book by Connie Cartwright Kwasha "Cartwrights of the Southern United States"? She isn't sure but from her research she states that Mary's maiden name could have been Barnes, Nelson, or Henderson.

Re: +Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN.

Posted: 1496245181000
Classification: Query
Thank you so much for your response. I do have Connie's book and we are fairly close cousins. In fact our common ancestor is the Blount County Thomas & Mary Cartwright. Connie descends from their youngest child, Thomas and I descend from Thomas Jrs sister, Mary 'Polly'.
I have worked and worked on her comments. She speculated Barnes because William Barnes wit. Thomas 1814 will and was a close neighbor. She thought Nelson because Thomas & Mary's 1st son was named Matthew for his father and their second son was named John Nelson - thus perhaps using her maiden name. There are a scant few Nelsons abt and I have had little success with that. I can't remember re: Henderson. There are other families that not only were their early 1800s neighbors but also followed the migration westward to Lawrence County, TN and on to NE Mississippi where they all went abt 1835. Franks, Casteel, Cagle - all these names come up as dna matches for me and I keep trying for any shred of a clue. No success! Did we have a dna match - I forgot to go back that far. Shirley.

Re: +Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN.

Posted: 1496460072000
Classification: Query
It is definitely a challenge trying to research family history and harder to verify. My family stems from the Wilson County, TN Cartwright's. If I am reading your tree and the book correctly our connection would be that Matthew Cartwright b. abt. 1730 - 1740 (your side) and John Cartwright b. 1700? (my side) were brothers.

Re: +Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN.

Posted: 1522522887000
Classification: Query
Dear Trish, It is almost another year since we posted. I am now part of a circle of cousins who email round-robin and none of us can identify the origin (or any other information) about our Matthew Cartwright who lived in Halifax County, NC. His first transaction was getting land in the Granville Grant in 1860. He is seen in a few other records (a couple of deeds where he and wife, Jane (Lee) Tippett (widow) and her sons, Erastus Lee and Erasmus Lee Tippett are involved.
My estimation of his age comes from the fact that in the 1784 state census his household says there is a male 60 or 60+. That computes back to about 1824 or thereabouts. He is gone from Halifax by 1790 census and his Tippett step-sons moved on. By 1800 Erastus and Erasmus were in Blount County, TN. As was Thomas Cartwright, certainly connected by the proximity of the families. This young Thomas is the husband of Mary (maiden name unknown - NOT JENKINS). Thomas left a will in 1814 and 1820 is a silent census but records indicate that Erastus moved on to Lawrence County, TN and in 1830 widow Mary Cartwright and her oldest son, Matthew (named for his grandfather, Matthew) were heads of hh in Lawrence, also. Meanwhile, the OTHER Thomas and Mary Jenkins remained in Smith County, TN. How I wish researchers would not connect that couple with my family (this one) who went as a group to Tippah County, MS ca 1835.
Even my ancestry dna matches have provided no good clue; in fact I have had the Ancestry test since 2013 and there have been few matches. This Matthew continues to be a big mystery.
We (the research circle) have speculated he might be related to the John Cartwright seen during the same time-frame (ca 1760 - 1780) but can't even quite nail that down because the names are so repetitive. DNA matches imply that the Mysterious Matthew and the descendants of John who apparently went to TN are related - cousins?
I will not fill in my tree unless I have at least a small clue that makes me confident. So far, we cannot find one. I can also say the others in my circle have done a lot of work and are very competent.
Anything you uncover that you think might help us will be profoundly appreciated! Shirley (Cartwright) McKenzie

Re: +The Error Thomas Cartwright & Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN. Family Trees

Posted: 1533335467000
Classification: Query
2018-08-03. It is sad that I am writing again to simply repeat what I have written before. The use of Thomas Cartwright and Mary Jenkins of Smith County, TN continues to be added to trees for Thomas Cartwright and Mary Unknown of Blount County, TN. Thomas was the son of Matthew Cartwright and Jane (Lee) Tippett; she being married to Phillip Tippett III (I am not quite sure of his #), and Phillip died in Halifax County, NC abt 1772 based on his will. It is apparent that Matthew and Jane married with a couple of years for they signed deeds together and there are family dynamics that link her sons, Erastus Lee and Erasmus Lee (possible twins) to Matthew Cartwright and later to Thomas Cartwright.
Erastus and Thomas are seen in close proximity in records as early as 1800 in Blount. Erastus was always on the move and he apparently moved - perhaps first with his brother Erasmus to Roane County, TN and Erastus is in Lawrence County, TN by abt 1820.
Meanwhile a will for Thomas shows he must have d abt 1814 back in Blount. There are few Blount records but we know where his widow and children are NOT! They are not yet with Erastus.
I have written many tree owners asking them to please remove Mary Jenkins for she and Thomas and their children outlived the Blount Thomas by many years. The Blount Thomas Cartwright's widow and children moved west and ended up in Tippah County, MS. I have researched this family for decades and can't understand why people don't at least check out the records I point out to them. By the way, I have been unable to determine the origin of the Thomas and Mary Jenkins. I have received no dna matches to that line from Ancestry.
Accuracy is everything in our ancestry! S.C. McKenzie
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