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Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1370467850000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1371471302000
Surnames: Brown
This picture is a scan of an ambrotype glass picture which I believe to be a relative on the Brown side of my family. I believe the year is possibly 1864? there is a number 76 on a hat just next to him. Also the crossed guns on his sleeve would indicate the best shot in regiment and the upside chevron good conduct?

Any help is much appreciated on any clues to ID.

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1371427149000
Classification: Military
Edited: 1371471416000
I believe this is a member of 76th New York State Volunteers. "The Cortland Regiment". The chevron indicates this person was a Sergeant. If the other insignia is indeed crossed rifles, it indicates infantry. Crossed canons indicates artillery and crossed swords indicate cavalry.

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1371499554000
Classification: Military
Edited: 1371500378000
I was preparing this as Barbara posted her response.

It would appear to be your 1st post on an Ancestry board but from your profile I assume the picture is of a British ancestor, if that is so he’s a British soldier in the 76th Regiment of Foot, with no rank insignia he’s a private.

The date you suggest is the latest that the style of tunic (cuffs) was worn (c1855-1868) so it may have been much earlier and the other details don’t help much.

Although dates can vary from regiment to regiment with some mention as early as 1830, generally the Kilmarnock aka “pill box” or “pork pie” style forage cap for infantry other ranks, where the regiments the badge was simply the regiment’s number in brass, was I believe introduced from around the late 1840’s early 1850’s and was worn up to around 1874, when the badge changed.

The upwards pointing chevrons on his lower left sleeve represent he was in receipt of 3 awards of good conduct pay; only private soldiers wore the badges and up to six could be earned. The regulations governing the award of good conduct pay changed over the years such that the minimum service for the award represented by 3 badges decreased from 15yrs service (1836-54) to 13yrs in 1860 and 12yrs from 1870; the minimum service would be for a soldier did not lose a badge for miss-conduct and have to serve additional time before it was restored.

At various times prior to WWI the crossed rifles have been used as a “prize badge”, an award for skill at arms and as part of a Musketry Instructors insignia. I’ve been trying to confirm the facts as to the meaning when they were first used, but have been unable to trace a reference to Musketry Regulations prior the 1869.

Although some opinion varies as to when specific rules changed, from the online information that is readily available, including forums on other web sites, as far as I can tell, the crossed rifles (or muskets) badge and one with a Crown above that formed part of Musketry Instructors rank insignia, was created by the same Royal Warrant of 1856 that created the Corps of Instructors of Musketry.

The initial regulations must have been revised between 1856 & 1869, but I can only say that the 1869 Regulations describe the badge without the crown in two styles, one in gold for the best shot in each company and regimental depot and the other in worsted for “each qualified marksman”; each badge earned a cash award.

The 1869 Regulations apparently describes the badge with a crown to be awarded to all the sergeants in the best shooting company and the best shot in the battalion. Sergeant Instructors of Musketry (who had passed a course at the Army’s School of Musketry) also wore it above their sergeant’s stripes.

Would it be safe to assume that prior to 1869 the badge without a crown in worsted was for the best shot in each company and regimental depot? I say worsted as if the one in the picture was gold it would surely have been coloured like the brass buttons.

By 1879 the crossed rifles badge was awarded to all ranks below sergeant whose score fell within the top 10% of a battalion or unit of a corps. In later years the badge was more a proficiency badge being awarded to every soldier who achieved the score as set down in Musketry Regulations.

Before 1883, unless he was discharged to pension (with common name, need full name, year and ideally place of birth to check), no record of his service will have survived and you would have to (or employ a researcher) check the 76th Regiment’s Muster lists and Pay Books at the National Archives, Kew; they are not online.

In 1881 the 76th Regiment of Foot merged with the 33rd (Duke of Wellington’s) Regiment of Foot to become the 2nd & 1st battalions respectively of the Duke of Wellington’s West Riding Regiment.

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1400672811000
Classification: Query
Hi, many thanks for your replies, I don't know why I didn't see these posts before, Defiantly a British uniform, I will look more into it, and when I get more info will post it, thanks a lot again, seem to know you stuff Jeff!

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1404478434000
Classification: Query
Yes I have managed t find out that it was my 4th great grandfather who served 21 years in the 76 regiment of foot, I found his discharge papers online! many thanks again!

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1405978192000
Classification: Query

The 76th (Hindoostan) Regiment of Foot was raised in 1787 by the East India Company at Chatham. In 1812, its title changed to the 76th Regiment.

In 1853 Based in Valletta.
Strength: 910 men. HQ Valletta.

Location 10 Mar 1853: 700 men, 43 women, and 100 children 76th Foot left for Halifax Nova Scotia on the steam ship Simoon. The rest, and a company of 68th Foot moved to Fort St Elmo. The quarters formerly occupied by the 76th Regiment at the Auberge de Castille were taken over by the Royal Malta Fencible Regiment who were relieved at Fort Manoel by the 41st Regiment.

On 1 July 1881, the 76th amalgamated with the 33rd Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment) to form the Second Battalion The Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment) . The 33rd formed the 1st Battalion. In January 1921, its title change to The Duke of Wellington's Regiment (West Riding).

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1406026328000
Classification: Query
That's brilliant thank you for the information, On his discharge notes, I can make ut foru f the places he was based at, but there's one that says ....something.... island?

Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1406028285000
Classification: Query
Probably Malta or one of the associated islands?



Re: Photo Help who am I what Regiment, posting,etc...

Posted: 1411428076000
Classification: Query
Don’t know if you are still looking for an answer to the “what island” question.

The places listed in his discharge certificate under “service abroad” are:
Ionian Islands – 3 3/12 years
Malta – 2yrs
North America – 4 5/12 years

During his period of service the regiment was in the Ionian Islands, garrisoned in Corfu c1848-1850 ( from there to Malta c1850-1853, thence to Canada c1853-1856 - I don't have the exact dates but you should be able to get that easy enough.
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