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Harrachs from Wirbelau Germany

Harrachs from Wirbelau Germany

Posted: 1208386220000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1493140187000
Surnames: Harrach
Edited by me
Correction, the family was from Wirbelau Germany.

Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1208603197000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Harrach
Hello,

Harrach is a well known surname, and was an old noble family. There's still a palais in Vienna named after them, and several members of Harrach branches in our phonebook www.herold.at ...

You might find more information through http://www.surnamenavigator.org/

Is there any information linking *your* Harrachs to Austria? Or rather to the old Austian empire (you mention the 30-years-war!)?

Tilman

Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1208622343000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1493139937000
Surnames: Harrach
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Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1208626271000
Classification: Query
Hello,

you could try and post a query to the Breslau/Wroclaw board http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.ceeurope.poland.provin...

You have probably searched these boards here for the surname already? The Search box is on top of each message board page.

Another option would be contacting professional genealogists - some with experience in the field of noble families, like e.g.:

Heraldisch-Genealogische Gesellschaft "Adler"

Universitätsstrasse 6/9b
AT-1096 Wien
Österreich
Austria, Europe

Email:
office@adler-wien.at

Tilman

Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1208791910000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1493139975000
Surnames: Harrach
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Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1208859170000
Classification: Query
Hello,

".... If I were to go to Breslau, Wroclaw would it be easier to find this information? I can only speak English, though."

Before actually *going* to Breslau I would certainly try to find out more about the archives and chances that you'll find anything there. Again, post to the Wroclaw board or even that for Poland, people over there should know more than I do.

I've read that there's a reference library at the state archive or also at the university which is said to be helpful. Then there's the Standesamt 1 (=registry office 1):

Urzad Stanu Cywilnego,
ul.Wlodkowica 20/22
50-072 Wroclaw (12)
Poland, Europe
Email: usc@um.wroc.pl

and the State archive:

Archiwum Panstowowe w Wroslawiu
ul. Pomorska 2
PL-50-215 Wroclaw
POLAND, Europe
email: wroclaw@ap.wroc.pl

More details on archives here (in German only): http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/source/tip_archiv/#...

Poland - Unknown province - message board:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.poland.unknow...

As to the language, the number of people speaking at least a bit of English should be slowly increasing, I guess.

Tilman

Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1210517461000
Classification: Query
Sorry, but there is something wrong with you story: If count Johann Karl Harrach is your great-great-great-grandfather he must have lived in 1750 - 1800. But this is 150 - 200 years away from the 30-years war.
Your Karl, First Count of Harrach, died in 1628. He had 9 children, 6 sons and 3 daughters. So there are some generations missing (about 6 - 8) in your ancestry-line.

The problem is also, that you will never find a child of Johann Karl, because he was not married. He only could have had illegitimate children and this children never had the right to wear the title Count. But it is very improbable, that a illegitimate child would have been named after his father with "Harrach". I think it would be better, to research first the ancestry line step-by-step.

In Breslau there was an infantry-regiment "Harrach" in the 7-years war. Maybe the father of your first Harrach was a soldier there and so the name "Harrach" was created in this way. Or - what is very possible - that the first Harrach was so called "Hofjude" (jew at the court) of the Harrachs and in the end of the 18th century - when all jews had to get a last or family name - he was allowed to wear the name of his lord. For this, i know a lot of examples like Waldstein, Schwarzenberg, Liechtenstein etc. etc.

Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1210530035000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1493140069000
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Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1210549570000
Classification: Query
Sorry, but I have only literature about the Harrachs in German.

But I could give you some informations about the Harrachs.
1. No Harrach ever beared the first name "Peter" - and they beared a lot of first names. As we say: as a Harrach you are not called Peter.
2. I wonder, whom your cousin met, because the last count of Harrach lives in Bruck a. d. Leitha, not in Rohrau. In Rohrau lives only his grand-cousin Countess Waldburg zu Zeil née Countess Harrach.
3. There was a famous painter named Ferdinand Count Harrach, who lived in Breslau in the 1850ies. There he went to school and spent his military service as Kuerassier.(Kuerassier = special kind of cavalery). Maybe he had a girl friend there....
In 1869 he married Helene Countess Pourtalès and had six children with her - but no Peter.
The father of Friedrich was Carl Philip, born in 1795, who also lived in Breslau. He also had no son named Peter or Georg. But maybe he had a girl friend...
If one of this lineage would have had children with a girl friend, this children would not have been members of the family and they never were counts. Maybe they got the last name Harrach - I wonder how - but in 99 percent of this cases you will never find a church record with the real fathers name. You would need a specialist to get a (near) proof.
What you need are european church records. Maybe your great grandfather changed his name with his arriving in the USA. Maybe because his mother told him this story or something else.
4. That your great grandfather came with the coat of arms or a family tree on a scroll has absolutely nothing to say. a) You never saw this coat of arms or this family tree b) Why did your great grandfather leave europe when he was a count?
5. I am member of the "Adler", which adress you have. And I am specialiced in the genealogy of the austrian nobility.

Please keep in mind, that genealogy is a step by step-research. You will need every date of birth, marriage and death in your family, that you could get. You will need the name of the ship, date of immigration etc. etc. before you will get more informations about your ancestors. But please forget the idea, that you are a member of the Count-of-Harrach-family. The members are well known - since 300 years.

Re: help with Harrach birth/death records in Breslau Germany

Posted: 1210602065000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1493140149000
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