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Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1360110304000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1360110400000
Looking for help in finding my gg/grandparents james toner ann mcguinness,i have tried every site i can looking for them can't find any trace of them.
I know they had at least 2 sons thomas and patrick,thomas married margaret hughes in crossmaglen in 1886,and patrick married bridget hughes in glasgow,on patrick's marriage cept it gives his parents as ann mcguinness and james toner.
I have tried every outlet but cannot pair ann mcguinness and james toner together.
Patrick born about 1860-1869
Thomas is on the 1901-1911 cencus,on his marriage it only lists hih father as james toner.
If anybody can help me find any info on james&ann would be so much appreciated.
John Toner

Re: Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1360391278000
Classification: Query
There are two resources for birth and marriages records for Northern Ireland: free to view, pay for records pay to view, pay for record

I have a CD with Civil Registrations from 1864-1875 and no record of Thomas so he must of been born before 1864.

I did find a Thomas 1871 but parents different.

No children are listed from 1864-1875 with parents James Toner and Ann McGuiness in Armagh, or anywhere in that period in Ireland.

Griffith Valuation is used as a census substitute and took place in 1863 in Co.Armagh

James Toner's lived in 7 Parish's and Mcguiness in 5 of those. Too many to peg them together. a simple Griffith Valuation

Look up Hughes to find the name in Crossmaglen Townland in the Parish of Creggan, Poor Law Union Castleblayney

There was 1 James Toner and 11 McGuiness in Parish Creggan.

I've looked at and found there are few births records for Armagh so no wonder you can't find anything, CofI marriages from 1845-1921

Creggan CofI only marriages 1845-1921
Derrynoose has both churches RC births from 1814 with gaps and CofI same only marriages 1845-1921
Ballymore RC births from 1798-1802 and marriages from 1831-1900.

1901/1911 Census:

1901: 7 Thomas, 1 aged 40(about right) not in 1911 census
Farmer, he is alone at Mountnorris, Townland Corrinure,

1911: There is a Thomas and a Margaret but Thomas is 60 married 25 years, 6 children born 5 living

Cullyhanna is in the Parish of Creggan

There is an Ann Toner 82, living with son Francis, housekeeper and widow she is living in Carran townland, Armahague is the Dedicated Electoral District.

Carran is a townland in the Parish of Creggan, Union of Castleblaney

Haven't been able to solve your connection between Ann and James Toner.

Ann Toner death registered April-June 1903 age 97, estimated year of birth based on age given at death (1806)
Vol.1, Pg. 35, #4201706

Mary Ann Toner death registered Oct-Dec 1908 age 80, estimated year of birth based on age given at death (1828)
Vol. 1 Pg. 19 #4201708

There is so many gaps in Irish genealogy and records available it maybe very difficult. You might be able to find gravestone inscriptions that make the connection. Heritage & Museum societies often collection gravestone inscriptions and put them in journal form.

There are 51 Toner's still living in Armagh.

Annette Code

Re: Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1362974092000
Classification: Query
Hi Ann,
Your post caught my eye. I have been researching Toner's from Armagh, but I don't know exactly where they lived I do know my grgrandfather was John Terence Toner (he went by Terence) was born @1860 and he was the son of Patrick Toner and Elizabeth Mcpartland. He came to Philadelphia @1880. He married Rosetta Toner b.@1860 (his 4th cousin also from Armagh) in Philadelphia. Rosetta's brothers were Patrick, John & Michael (they came to Philadelphia @1880)parents were Michael & Rose Toner. Terence died in 1897 in Philadelphia and his obit states "son of Elizabeth and the late Patrick", so his mother was still alive in Ireland at the time of his death. Would any of this info be on the CD you mentioned. Thanks for any help you can offer.

Re: Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1363013643000
Classification: Query
A possible will for Elizabeth in 1900:

There are Toners & McParlands in the Tullyherron Graveyard (as mentioned in the will):

Am wondering if John Terence was a little older than you think. The 1880 US Census has Rosetta living in Philadelphia with her brothers, aged 25, which would have made her about 5 years older than Terence.

Re: Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1363040326000
Classification: Query
Hi Eileen,
Thanks so much for your link! I'm not sure about the will for Elizabeth, but I did find the will for Michael Toner my grgrgrandfather. I know it's him as he specifically names his children and mentions they are in America. The beauty of it is, he names two other daughters I never knew existed who remained in Ireland.
New leads to follow! Thanks again!!

Re: Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1363083859000
Classification: Query
the reason you are in trouble is that for some reason which I can never quite understand the names McCreesh and McGuinness (under various spellings) are frequently interchangeable. James Toner and Ann McGuinness/McCreesh were from the parish of Lower Creggan aka Cullyhanna. I think the family actually lived in the village of Cullyhanna near a place still called Toner's Bridge.
Kieran McConville

Re: Toner & McGuinness

Posted: 1363174908000
Classification: Query
Kieran can you e-mail me at
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