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Edwards Family of Surry, VA

Edwards Family of Surry, VA

Posted: 1295648587000
Classification: Query
My family history indicates that I am descended from a William Edwards who was born at Edwards Hall near Cardiff, Wales and sailed to Jamestown, VA in 1624 on the ship "Merchant's Hope". He is alleged to have married an Elizabeth Swann in the Jamestown Church and to have died in Jamestown. The only pertinent record I have found is Hotten's Original List showing a 30 year old William Edwards, passenger on the Merchant's Hope which sailed from London to Jamestown in 1635.

William I's descendent's, according to our family history, are William Edwards II, 1615-1673 of Surry, married to a Dorothy Byrd, children William, John, and Thomas; William Edwards III (1640-1698), married to an Ann Mansfield, son William IV; William IV (d. 1722 )married to Elizabeth Harrison, son Benjamin, and to a Miss Lowe, children Micajah,William, Mary, Elizabeth, Ann, and Sarah; Micajah Edwards I ( d. 1770 ) married to Elizabeth Blow, children William, Micajah II, Richard,Benjamin, Mary, Lucy, Elizabeth, Ann, and Thomas; William Edwards V ( 1743-1797), married to Susanna Edmunds, children Ann, William, Thomas, Richard, and John; Thomas Edwards ( 1764-1812), married to Sarah Harrison, children Thomas Nathaniel, John William, and George Byrd Edwards; Thomas N. Edwards(d. 1858), married Elizabeth Ann Carter, children Mary Anis, Thomas Nathaniel, John William, Sidney Baxter, Elizabeth Ann, Joseph William, and Cornelius Elliott Edwards; Cornelius Elliott Edwards ( 1856-1919 ), married to Sallone Annette Little, children George, Jeter ( probably James),Ina Elizabeth, Cornelius Elliott II, John William, and Annette Faye; Annette Faye Edwards(1896 - 1927) married to Perry Monroe Gwaltney, children Perry Monroe Jr. and Doris; Perry, Jr. was my father.

Any information regarding this line, particularly the first 3 William Edwards, would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have a great deal of info. to share. Thank you!

Re: Edwards Family of Surry, VA

Posted: 1295663355000
Classification: Query
Have you checked into the Edwards Hall, near Cardiff, Wales? It seems that the powers that be in Wales and England have never been able to verify such a hall.


Serving the authorities of Bridgend, Caerphilly, Cardiff, Merthyr Tydfil,
Rhondda Cynon Taf and the Vale of Glamorgan

The Glamorgan Building, King Edward VII Avenue, Cathays Park, Cardiff CF10 3NE.
Tel: 029 2078 0282; Fax: 029 2078 0284;
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Late opening by appointment, Wednesday 5.00-7.00pm.
Closed Mondays, Bank Holidays and usually the day following.



The purpose of this leaflet is to assist enquirers seeking information about the Edwards family
and its supposed fortune. This fascinating story has gripped generations of 'Edwardses' for over
one hundred years, not only in Wales but in parts of England and, of course, the United States of
America where the origin of the fortune (now thought to amount to 650 billion dollars) is said to

1. The legend

The fortune is said to result from a lease in 1778 by a Welshman, Robert Edwards, of
approximately 77 acres of land in New York forming what is now a significant part of Manhatten
and on which stands not only Wall Street and Broadway but such valuable properties as The
Stock Exchange and The World Trade Centre. The land was leased to the brothers John and
George Cruger for 99 years with the condition that thereafter it would revert to the heirs of Robert
Edwards named in the lease as his brothers William, Jacob, Leonard, Joshua, John and Thomas
and his sister Martha. The lease expired in 1877 and ever since families called Edwards have
been trying to stake claim to the fortune on the basis that they were descended from one of
Robert's heirs.

2. The genealogical problem

Genealogically speaking, the problem of proving descent stems from the fact that there were no
standard spellings of surnames in Wales at the relevant period. Thus the surname eventually
standardised as 'Edwards', deriving from the christian name Edward by the addition of a final 's'
can appear interchangeably in documents of the period as 'Edward', 'Edwards' or even
'Edwardes'. When the members of one family use these spellings interchangeably and when a
number of families favour the same christian names, it is virtually impossible to differentiate
between them. The Welsh patronymic naming system in common use during the 18th and

preceding centuries whereby a son or daughter takes as a second or surname the christian
name of his or her father further compounds the problem by providing us with numerous unrelated
Edwards families.

Another major problem is the paucity of information available from such records of the period as
survive. Parish register entries are sparse giving little more than that a particular person was
baptised, married or buried on a particular date. Few families have records detailed enough to
supplement these entries and those which do find even this information difficult to verify officially.

3. The identity of Robert Edwards

The honest answer to the question Who was Robert Edwards? is No-one really knows. He is
difficult to identify positively for a number of reasons. To start with, there are British and
American versions of the legend. Some say he came from a family which originated from
England or Wales but which emigrated to America in the 1620s or 30s; others that he, himself,
emigrated to America from South Wales with his brothers Jacob, Joshua and John. Confusion is
compounded by the fact that several claimant families appear to have basically the same family
tree with slight variations. On the basis of just two of these, we find one Robert Edwards born
1716 with brothers and sisters as named in the lease and one Robert Edwards born 1730 with
brothers and sisters identically named plus additional ones. One thing is certain, the name
Robert Edwards was not uncommon. Indeed when one realises that the surname derived from
the christian name Edward it should come as no surprise to be told that not all families bearing
the name are related to each other.

If the legends are to be believed, Robert Edwards was a man of many parts being variously
described as a captain in the army, an officer in the navy, a shipbuilder, a buccaneer who was
granted the land for services to the British Crown, and the the saviour of an Indian Princess
whose father, the Chief of the local tribe, awarded him the land for saving his daughter's life! That
there was a Robert Edwards serving as an officer in the British navy at the relevant period can be
verified by navy records. The other stories have as yet no firm basis in fact.

4. Documents held by the Glamorgan Record Office

Papers of the Edwards family Claimants' Association of South
Wales deposited in 1983 by an interested party who had purchased them from the Organising
Secretary. These comprise minutes, accounts and correspondence 1947-68, as well as files on
individual claimants claiming descent from William Edwards (1719-89) builder of Pontypridd
Bridge; from Thomas Edwards (born 1723) and Jacob Edwards (1729-97), brothers of Robert
Edwards who leased the land in New York; plus miscellaneous certificates and pedigrees of
claimants with unproven genealogies. In the front of the Record Office handlist to this collection
have been placed copies of articles which appeared in Family Tree Magazine in 1996 in which
Helen Hinchliff PhD, Chairman, Consumer Protection Committee, National (USA)
Genealogical Society expresses her reservations about the Edwards story and warns of past
frauds perpetrated in conection with it. Philip Berrill (see below) responds to her findings.
[ref. D/D X 354]

Papers relating to the Edwards family of Ness Strange, Shropshire and Edwards Hall
(unidentified), Glamorgan. These comprise two files of xerox copies of the lineage of the
Edwards family compiled c.1894; a summary of the Edwards family's claim and 'facts in
connection with the title of Trinity Church to its property acquired by royal grants' compiled by
Counsel for the Corporation of Trinity Church, 1955; a xerox copy of an article from the Daily
Mirror, 1912 highlighting the discovery by Edwards claimants of a 1688 bible with Edwards
family information on the flyleaf; a pedigree of the Edwards family (incomplete) compiled 1985;
a xerox copy of a letter from Robert L. Cartmell of Toronto, Canada speculating on the location of
Edwards Hall and on the Edwards claimants, 1987; and the two books detailed in the
bibliography below.
[ref. D/D X 350]

c) Copy of 1778 lease extracted from records of the state of New York; Counsel's opinion
(Tasker Watkins, on behalf of South Wales claimants) and copy of lease made 1950; letter from
Mrs Fannie Edwards Claud to Mrs Tanner of Cardiff (secretary of the South Wales Association)
concerning Edwards heirs, 1954
[ref. D/D Xn 7, 8]

5. Other sources

We understand that collections of documents relating to the Edwards family of Ness
Strange, Shropshire are held by the National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth and the Shropshire
Records and Research Centre, Castle Gates, Shrewsbury.

Unlike the Edwards family Claimants' Association of South Wales (referred to in 4a
above) which drew its activities to a close in the 1960s, its American equivalent the
Pennsylvania-based 'Association of Edwards Heirs' is still flourishing. It is headed by Cleoma
Foore who can be contacted at: RD1, Box 133, Six Mile Run, Pennsylvania, USA. The
Association's attorney, John Smarto, has actively co-operated with the BBC which has featured
the Edwards story in its series of programmes hosted by Gloria Hunniford entitled 'Good Fortune'
(November/December 1994). The free-lance producer for the Edwards element of the
programme, Philip Berrill, has undertaken to produce a twice-yearly newsletter to keep everyone
up to date with research and further developments. Newsletters are produced under the title The
Edwards Information Service and can be obtained direct from Philip Berrill, 60 Leyland Road,
Hesketh Park, Southport, PR9 9JA. Copies of the newsletter will be supplied to the Glamorgan
Record Office for consultation by interested parties (see bibliography below).

Edwards enquirers should be aware that the 1992 Edition of the IGI (International
Genealogical Index) compiled by the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (Mormon)
contains a number of entries relating to the births of members of an Edwards family at Edwards
Hall, Cardiff. The Glamorgan Record Office has no original documents recording this information
and even the very existence of an Edwards Hall near Cardiff has yet to be established. From the
source reference - shown on the IGI against each entry - the information does not come directly
from documents but appears to have been supplied by a private individual from his or her own
family papers. Certainly the same information is reproduced by David Edwards in The
Edwardes Legacy (see bibliography below) .

The same edition of the IGI also lists a number of Edwards births/baptisms at Merthyr Tydfil which
do not appear in either the parish registers or in any known nonconformist chapel register.

All these entries must needs be regarded with caution until the source is revealed and the
information verified.

6. Bibliography

The Edwards of Northampton, Bruce Montgomery Edwards, The Montgomery Publishing
Company, Knoxville, Tennessee 1973
[ref. D/D X 350/3]

The Edwardes Legacy, David D. Edwards, Gateway Press, Inc., Baltimore 1992[ref. D/D X

The Edwards Millions, Mary McKenzie, Glamorgan Record Office Annual Report, 1984,
pp. 21-22

The Edwards Information Service: Newsletters Nos. 1-3,Philip Berrill, 1994-96

In the years which have elapsed since the expiry of the lease in 1877, many attempts have been
made to claim the fortune. All have failed. In most instances the evidence produced was either
deemed inconclusive or was mishandled by unscrupulous lawyers looking to make easy money.
Claims have been further hampered by the Statute of Limitations in the state of New York which
requires claims to be made within fifteen years of the expiry of any lease. Genealogical
problems aside (and these at present seem insurmountable), the wouldbe claimant faces a
massive legal battle with little apparent hope of success. Indeed the chance of making a
legitimate claim has been likened to that of winning the jackpot on the National Lottery.

This is not to say that if you are an Edwards you should give up trying to trace your family tree.
Far from it. It can, and should be, an enjoyable hobby. Just be prepared to follow things through
systematically generation by generation. If ultimately this results in financial gain, all well and
good but look upon this possibility as a bonus. The immediate satisfaction of the amateur
genealogist comes from placing the family in its context and in tracing one's own personal roots.

Do check closely, any information you may receive on the Edwards family...especially to any relation to the Edwards of Edwards Hall near Cardiff, Wales.

Re: Edwards Family of Surry, VA

Posted: 1425415849000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Edwards
In your first paragraph you note that "[T}he only pertinent record I have found is Hotten's Original List showing a 30 year old William Edwards, passenger on the Merchant's Hope with sailed from London to Jamestown in 1635." That William is my direct ancestor, son of Joshua Edwards who was brother to your William's line. My William arrived in VA in 1636 and settled with your family in Surry County on the plantation for which your William gained a patent comprising several separate parcels. It appears your first Virginia William survived the 1622 massacre, but William 2 is the one who died in the massacre. This might be reversed - but it appears that the son died and the father - the original Jametownian, survived. It is clear that my William is the one you see in Hotten's Original List.

Re: Edwards Family of Surry, VA

Posted: 1427334276000
Classification: Query
Hello Mr. Edwards. I hope you'll respond to my recent post in which I provided my email address. Whether you use this forum or email, I would like very much to communicate with you re: Williams I and II. Again, my e-mail address is I look forward to hearing from you.

Re: Edwards Family of Surry, VA

Posted: 1430324515000
Classification: Query
Hi Anne,

I was "surfing" and found this link through a promotional ad. So I searched my last name, Edwards, and saw a reference to Surry. My brother has done most of the work on our family line and he has found that there were 4 Edwards brothers who immigrated from Wales to Isle of Wight. If I have time I'm going to take a look at our lineage and see if any of your names come up. Most interesting! We did find a distant cousin in Arkansas who doubles much of the information from my Grandfather and his lineage says can be traced back to Henry VIII,.. of course, who couldn't be! Regards,

Roy (Edwards)
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