hi don, yes i have. i think i have looked up everything on the net there is on the runyon's. but not knowing charles edward's parents names, it's very difficult to trace back. why peter? do u think there is a connection? all i know is charles may have been born in woodstock il.(mchenry co.) his mother remarried a hacker from there. i contacted the co.clerk, and she said the records are incomplete prior to 1916. and a fee of $7.00 to do a search is required. they keep the fee even if i don't get any info. so i think i would be wasting my time money. i went down to the LDS historial society here in town, and ordered a sounddex. but that won't come in for a week. any help u can give me would be soooooo appreciated. thx.