We need to confirm somehow, that your John / Clarence are the same as my John / Clarence. I need something else to connect them, at least for my records.
I have John b.1864 and Mary Mahala Joseph b. abt. 1868.
Ida b. ?
Bertha b. ?
Clarence b. 1886
Mable b. 1890
Hazel b. 1891
John later married Martha Riley
John Jr. b. 1901
Clifford b. 1904
John's parents were George Willard Ramsbottom (with the m not n) b. 1835 d.1907. m. to Menima Adams b. 1842.
I have to believe that we are looking at the same George / John / Clarence Ransbottom family, but.... What other information do you have?
If we can ascertain that they are the same family, I would love to have a copy of your picture of John Sr.
We have several generations back before George too if you are interested.