Thanks for your input. The baptisim certificate I have where amongst my grandparents papers. On the back my grandfather wrote " Wife's father birth cerificate" The other information I have is from a letter sent to my g g grandmother upon my g g grandfathers( Guiseppe Arnaud) death. They also received the information from the Plymouth War memorial. I have requested a birth certificate with showing Carmelo & Catarina as his parents and they said there was no records. My mom Guiseppe's granddaughter said she remembered that he was born in Tripoli. I have their marriage certificate also showing that he was from Tripoli. He was with the Royal Navy and I have his service # but I can't get his service record.