Hello, sorry for the delay in responding. Yes you are correct, I have saved the 'J's from the rootdigger.de web site and I think this could be them, the dates match. I have added this information as notes to the boys tree. This still adds to the mystery as to why mum and dad (Peter & Anna) left them behind, assisted immigrants had their childrens passage paid as well. That is why census records from the 1870's up would be very handy, they must have been staying with a relative surely; or, perhaps an orphanage, or in the Armenhause. It is not normal behaviour for parents to leave their babies, it is absolutely unusual......... that is my dilemma and the clue to my next tip, where can I find these please? I have searched all the resources I know for these census records.