Kathryn, thanks for the info. I have seen that info. I think the Alice Pattee I might be looking for is the one listed on the 1865 census. On someone's family tree they have her married to an Albert Jones which was Anna's father's name and that Alice died in 1883. I am just not sure and don't want to take someone's family when it isn't mine. I just can't find any census with Anna before she married Fred Howe. The 1st census I found of her was 1900 and she had already had my great grandmother Alice Cecile Howe. Anna was 16 at the time of her marriage. My dad said she was a very stern woman I guess she didn't have a good childhood after her mother died some time after her birth and her father moved to Iowa. Thanks.