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Joseph Neal Luther



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Andrew Ramsey, and his brother John, were sons of John J. Ramsey of Monogalia County, Virginia. John J. Ramsey, born 1708. May have died in 1796, apparently married Margaret Barker. He may have been the son of William Ramsey. The name of his wife is confirmed in the baptismal records of St. Vincent's Church in Cape Girardeau, at the baptism of his daughter Rebecca on 4 December 1837. This church record clearly shows he married Margaret Barker. John Ramsey's will of August 1796 is recorded in Monogalia County, Virginia clearly names his children. John J. Ramsey's children included:

1. Andrew Ramsey, born 1746, died 1815. Married Eve Wright. Possible ancestor - See later.

2. John Ramsey, Jr. born 1725, died 1837, married Sara Ann ------. She was not the Sarah Ann Miller who married a John Ramsey on 15 November 1842, as he died before that date. The will of John Ramsey was proven 30 October 1838 and 4 February 1839 (Book B, pp. 140-141 and 143-145: Scott County, Missouri). He located on what later became the County poor farm, which was located along the Commerce-Benton Road. He died in Scott County Missouri in 1837-38. Will was probated in Scott County in 1838. Will filed in Cape Girardeau County on 3 July 1843 [27-515] 1843 states his wife was Sara Ann. Names children: Harriet B. Painter, Elizabeth Flinn, Polly Ravenscroft and Rebecca Hall of Scott County. Administrator was Charles Miller. In 1850, "the slaves of John Ramsey will be hired at the Court House door,” Charles Miller, administrator and Greer Davis, agent. Will of 1822, 1839 and 1843 name children: Rebecca Ramsey, Mary Ann (Polly) Ramsey, Harriet B. Ramsey, Andrew Ramsey, Elizabeth Ramsey, Ann Ramsey, Sarah Ramsey, unnamed daughter Ramsey, and another unnamed daughter Ramsey.

3. Rebecca Ramsey, born, died 31 Dec 1839, married in 1777/9 to Alexander Gibboney in West Augusta County Virginia. See Alexander Gibboney will of 26 June 1837 (Box 34, #710 - Cape Girardeau County Missouri). Children included: John Gibboney, Robert Gibboney. Alexander Gibboney, Jr., Andrew Gibboney, Arabella Gibboney, Isabella Gibboney, and Margaret Gibboney.

4. Sibboney Ramsey married Nicholas Seavers. See the will of Nicholas Seavers dated 11 June 1818 (Box 80, #1490 - will A87 - Cape Girardeau County Missouri); names wife as Elizabeth. Elizabeth Shavours shown on 1790 Census of Monogalia County Virginia (5/0). Children included: Charles Seavers, James Seavers, Nancy Seavers Elizabeth Seavers, Mary Seavers, John W. Seavers, and Sara A. Seavers.

5. Mary Ramsey married Jeremiah Simpson. Jeremiah Simpson appears on the 1790 Census of Monogalia County Virginia (2/1). Also appears on the 1790 Census of Washington County PA.

6. Hannah Ramsey married Dr. Blevins Hayden.

7. Betsey Ramsey married Jacob Jacobs. See will of 18 Feb 1824 (Box 33, #658 - Cape Girardeau County Missouri). Adm. was Andrew Gibboney. Names children: Mary Jacobs, Hannah Jacobs, Rebecca Jacobs, Elizabeth Jacobs, William Jacobs, John Jacobs, and Orilla (Aurilla) Jacobs.



Andrew Ramsey, born 1746, died 1815. Married Eve Wright. Ramsey Creek in Cape Girardeau was named for Andrew Ramsey who settled there in 1795 and established the first English school west of the Tennessee River. (Ramsey, R.L. 1952, Our Storehouse of Missouri Place Names).

Houck, in his book - The Spanish Regime in Missouri- notes at page 408, "Andrew Ramsey originally came from Cecil County, Maryland and moved westward along the Potomac. For a time, he lived in Pittsburgh, or at any rate, near the forks of the Ohio. He came to the Cape Girardeau District in 1795." In this same book, Houck notes that the Gibboney family came from Cecil County, Maryland, or the disputed territory between Maryland and Pennsylvania where the family settled before the Revolutionary War." Alexander Gibboney is shown in the 1790 Census of Cecil County. It should be pointed out that the famous Ramsey family of Tennessee also came from Cecil County, Maryland.

Houck notes in his History of Southeast Missouri that Andrew Ramsey came to Cape Girardeau from Harper's Ferry and that he was with the Virginia troops at Braddock's defeat. Andrew Ramsey allegedly ran a ferry across the Cheat River during the Rev. War, and resided in Pittsburgh before coming down the Ohio. His land grant adjoined that of Don Louis Lorimier, the Post Commandant at Cape Girardeau. Houck states that Andrew Ramsey was a man of some property, a slave owner, and exercised a considerable influence in the settlement during the Spanish government.

In 1803, Andrew Ramsey Sr. had in his household seven people, not including his 14 slaves. In 1804, he was one of the largest landowners in the district. He moved to the White River area (Batesville, Arkansas) in 1815 and died there. There is a Ramsey Hill near this community. Houck goes on to note that Andrew Ramsey's brother, John, was also in this Virginia Regiment and subsequently settled in Scott County, Missouri (Houck, pp 272). This is borne out by John Ramsey's will of record in Scott County.

Andrew Ramsey bought a land claim from Edward Robertson in Cape Girardeau in 1795. In 1799, Andrew Ramsey bought land on Bayou St. Thomas, six miles north of New Madrid. John and Drusilla (Hanna) Wright came to Missouri with the Ramsey group. Their son, Alexander, lived near New Madrid. He was sheriff and lived in Commerce.

Andrew Ramsey's will of 1813 is recorded in Cape Girardeau County (Box 51, #1000; and Box 57, #1116, both will A-40 dated May 1815). It names his wife, Eve, and his children. The executor of one will was his brother, John Ramsey, and another will has wife, Eve, and Lewis Painter as executors. Witness was Enoch Evans.

Of Andrew Ramsey's children:

1. Elizabeth Ramsey married Captain William Daugherty. Capt Daugherty came to the Cape in 1798 and commanded a Cape Militia Company. They lived south of Jackson at that time. He was an original abolitionist and would own no slaves of his own and controlled only those inherited by his wife. They had three children: Mary Daughterty, Ralph Daughterty, Charles Daughterty, and Martha Daugherty.

The Daughterty family was apparently living in Perry County Missouri in 1830 Census. William and John Daughterty were in Cape G. in 1805. Their father was apparently Jarvis Daughterty. (See Houck, Vol II, pp. 120)

2. Eleanor Ramsey married Samuel Tipton. Of their possible children, I show with a son, Benjamin. She may have died in Izard County Arkansas? Appears in 1840/1850 Census of Arkansas. (See Houck, Vol II, pp. 183).

3. Margaret Ramsey married Stephen Jones. He was at Cape in 1805. (Houck, Vol II, pp. 162). They appear in the 1840 and 1850 Census of Arkansas in Izard County.

4. Mary Ramsey married first Peter Craig on 19 May 1808 in Cape Girardeau County Missouri. Peter Craig was at the Cape in 1805. Captain Peter Craig was Commander at Fort Howard. He died at the Battle of the Sink Hole on 24 May 1815 near Fort Howard. He was not over 30 years of age. Alexander Gibboney was in his company and was killed also. Craig was also in the battle with the Winnebagos near Fort Mason on July 1813 when his brother-in-law, Allen Ramsey, son of Andrew, was killed. (Houck, Vol II, pp. 183; Vol III, pp. 104, 111, 130, 132). Peter Craig's will was filed in Cape Girardeau County in 1815, naming wife Mary. Executor was William Ramsey and witnesses included Enoch Evans, Andrew Ramsey and Betsy Ramsey. She married secondly Charles Kelley.

5. Rachel Ramsey, born 22 June 1795 in Henderson County KY, married John Rodney 3 Aug 1828 in Cape Girardeau County. John Rodney was born in Bourbon County KY and was a surveyor and son of Martin Rodney who arrived in 1798 and lived on Foster Creek. (Houck, Vol II, pp. 183). See John Rodney's will dated 24 Oct 1844. William Henry Harrison witnessed a codicil. Their children included: Mary Rodney, Lucille Rodney, Eveline Rodney, Thomas Rodney, Taylor (Michael?) Rodney, Martin VanBuren Rodney, and R. William Rodney.

6. Andrew Ramsey, Jr. married Patty (Patsy) Worthington. Judge Andrew Ramsey Jr. settled on Ramsey Creek and later moved with his brothers John and James to Scott County -what is now Mississippi County, Missouri. In the summer of 1800, he settled near the site of present day Belmont, Missouri. Andrew Ramsey, shown on the 1830 Census of Scott County in Mississippi Township. Andrew Ramsey Jr. apparently died in Scott County Missouri in 1830. Will dated 14 Feb 1830 and recorded 25 June 1830 Ex= James Ramsey Jr. Wit= John S. Thompson. Bond= Andrew Ramsey Jr and Robert Ravenscroft. The will of Patsy Ramsey, deceased was filed in Scott County on 17 September 1833, with Andrew Ramsey (husband) as administrator and security was provided by John Hall, Robert Ravenscroft and William Meyers. Children were: Andrew Ramsey III, Allen Ramsey (youngest) married Elizabeth ---, James Ramsey (oldest), Betsey Ramsey, and Polly Ramsey

7. James Ramsey married Rebecca Worthington and died prior to 1850 in Mississippi County Missouri. Rebecca was a daughter of Joseph Worthington who arrived in 1799. In the summer of 1800, James Ramsey settled near the site of present day Belmont, Missouri. Shown on 1830 and 1840 Census of Scott County in Mississippi Township. James Ramsey laid out the town of Norfolk in 1836. It was the first town in the county. James Ramsey also established Rush’s Ridge Nov 1836. James and Rebecca Ramsey had a deed of record in Scott County in 1835 at n 1/2, NW 1/4, Sec 4, Twp 26, and R 18. Rebecca Ramsey, died Feb 1865 at age 85, is buried in the Rush Ridge Cemetery in Mississippi County. I show children as: Alfred Ramsey, James Ramsey III, and William A. Ramsey.

8. John Ramsey married Hannah Lorimier (1/4 Shawnee), (Houck, Vol II, pp 190; and Douglas, pp. 77) the daughter of William Lorimier and Hetty Thorne. William was a natural son, born prior to Louis's last two marriages. William Lorimier was born at Lorimier's store in what is now Shelby County, Ohio near the present village of Berlin. William was undoubtedly of Shawnee ancestry. In Cape Girardeau County, William Lorimier ran a farm near the other Rodney, Ramsey relatives south of Jackson. Hetty Thorne was the daughter of Solomon Thorne, gunsmith to the Shawnee and veteran of Clark's Illinois campaign. John Ramsey was living near Peter Garrett in Cape Girardeau County in 1830. See Goodspeed's History of S.E. Missouri and Shrum's History of Scott County. John Ramsey does not appear in the 1830, 1840 or 1850 Census of Scott County. A John Ramsey does appear on 1830 Census of Cape Girardeau County page 453, near Peter Garrett and James Ravenscroft. Possible ancestor - see later.

9. William Ramsey married Elizabeth Dunn. I am uneasy about this line, as set forth by Houck. This family was living in Perry County Missouri in 1830 and the census shows William being born in 1814. This is a little improbable. This family is shown on the 1850 Census of Mississippi County. Apparently died 18 Nov 1862. Children were: Patsy Ramsey, Andrew Ramsey, and Catherine Ramsey. (Houck, Vol II, pp 164 and 183).

10. Allen Ramsey, killed by Indians, I show July 1813. (Houck, 1908). Capt Allen Ramsey engaged Winnebago Indians - killed. William Ramsey and John Ramsey were in this company. Should be # 8 and #9, brothers.



This man is my Cape Girardeau Ramsey ancestor. Although traditional “family lore”, old genealogy notes and some old letters support a connection to the Andrew Ramsey line, I have NO DEFINITIVE PROOF of this descent at this moment – but I am working on it. There are conflicting and confusing data recording this John Ramsey’s place of birth – some say Pennsylvania, some say Tennessee, and one says Missouri. PLEASE HELP IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO.

John W. Ramsey, Jr., born 1827 (1/8 Shawnee), married Clara Josephine Garrett, who died in Paris, Texas in 1910. She was the daughter of Peter R. Garrett and Mary Ann Whitelaw of Jackson, Missouri. John W. Ramsey and Clara Josephine Garrett were married on 22 July 1852 in New Orleans, Louisiana. They were married at the Lafayette Presbyterian Church on Fulton Street.

In the 1860 Census of Cape Girardeau County, they are shown with two children: Lila P., born in 1857, and Ruben G. born in 1859. Ruben G. should have read Robbie G. or Robert G., as listed in the 1870 Census of Memphis, Tennessee where the family was living at that time. Family letters indicate that John W. Ramsey left the Cape around 1861 and moved to Memphis where he remained until after 1885. While in Memphis, he was a Deputy U.S. Marshall and Deputy Sheriff. (I have his Marshall's badge)

Clara Josephine Garrett remained at the Cape and from time to time joined her husband in Memphis. She appears in the 1880 Census of Cape Girardeau, living with her sister, Mary Wall. With her was one son, Frank Whitelaw Ramsey, who had been born in Memphis in 1866. Her other son, Robert G. Ramsey, was apparently living with his father in Memphis in 1880. Her daughter, Lila, had married by this time.

By 1903, Clara Josephine Garrett was living with relatives in Hutchinson, Kansas. In 1907, she was living with her son, Frank, in Fremont, Nebraska. In 1910, she is living with Frank and Ada Ramsey in Paris, Texas. (Census Record) Cemetery records indicate she died on 31 December 1910 and was buried in the Evergreen Cemetery in Paris, Texas on 1 January 1911. Nothing more is known about the fate of her husband John W. Ramsey.

Memphis/Shelby County Death Index (1848-1945) The index to the recorded deaths within Memphis and Shelby County between 1848 and 1945 was created from the six volumes of the Memphis Death Register Books, 1848-1901, Memphis Burial Permits, 1902-1913, and Memphis/Shelby County Death Certificates, 1914-1945. NO JOHN RAMSEY

The children of John W. and Clara Josephine (Garrett) Ramsey included:

1. Lila P. Ramsey, born 1857, married James Carroll of Cape Girardeau on 17 Apr 1877, and died at the Cape on 17 Oct 1884. One son, Bernard Carroll, predeceased the mother. James Carroll’s brother, Richard Carroll, married Catharine M. Gilroy on 21 Nov 1883 in Cape Girardeau, Missouri

2. Robert G. (Ruben or Robbins) Ramsey, born 1860, died of meningitis on 6 Feb 1899 at his home at North 111 Abbott in Dallas, Texas. At that time, he was foreman of the book department of Worley's printing establishment. He was married to Cora Burgess of Commerce, Missouri. In 1889, 1890, and 1891, he is shown on the Kansas City Directory, as Robbins G. Ramsey, living at 1237 Ridge Avenue.

His wife, Cora, is shown in the 1900 Census of Missouri, living in St. Louis with her two sons. Children included:

2A. Lawrence R. Ramsey, born in 1883 in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee. He married on 10 December 1907 to Katherine Little who was born in 1886 in Scotland. They had four daughters, Marie, Florence, Dorothy and Helen. Shown on 1920 and 1930 Census of Alameda County, California. Cora Ramsey, his mother, is living with them in 1920 and 1930.

2B. Robert G. (Bob) Ramsey, Jr., born in 3 October 1889 in Kansas City and died on 26 August 1965 in Woodland, Yolo County, California. Shown on 1930 Census of Yolo County, California

3. Frank Whitelaw Ramsey, born 9 Feb 1866 (1/16 Shawnee) in Memphis Tennessee, married 10 Jul 1895 in Lawrence Kansas, and died 9 Mar 1926 in Abilene Texas. Married to Ada Belle McCoy, daughter of Zachary T. McCoy and Mary Melissa Woods. She died 29 Jul 1936 in Big Spring, Texas. At that time, she was living with her daughter Lila Kuykendall at 2300 Runnells Street. Both are buried at the Rosemont Cemetery in Wichita Falls Texas. No other kin are buried in this cemetery

The children of Frank and Ada Ramsey were:

1. Marjorie Fern Ramsey, born 17 Jan 1897 (1/32 Shawnee) in Kansas City Missouri; married Benjamin Culberson Neal, 2 Jun 1915 in Paris Texas. Ancestor - see later.

2. Lila Maude Ramsey, born 17 Dec 1898 in Hutchinson, Reno County Kansas; married Lester Kuykendall, 19 Aug 1918 in Fayetteville, Arkansas; died 11 January 1969 in Paris Texas. One child, Jean Kuykendall, married James Robertson: 3 adopted children. Both buried at the Evergreen Cemetery in Paris Texas.

3. Frank McDonald Ramsey, born 25 Jan 1902 in Fremont, Nebraska; married Margaret (Peggy) Irene Sutton, died 12 Jan 1961. Both buried at the Evergreen Cemetery [16-07-04] in Paris Texas. Only child was stillborn. Margaret Irene Sutton was born on 30 Dec 1903 and died: 8 Dec 1983.

Marjorie Fern Ramsey, born 17 Jan 1897 in Kansas City Missouri. She married Benjamin Culberson Neal, 2 Jun 1915 in Paris Texas. See the Neal Group. She died 21 Oct 1954 in Kerrville Texas. Both buried at Fairmont Cemetery, San Angelo Texas. Only one child:

Marjorie Elizabeth Neal. Born 20 Mar 1916 (1/31 Shawnee) ; married Horace Norman Luther, Jr. in Kerrville Texas. Children included: Beverly Ann Luther and Joseph Neal Luther.


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