Hi, I'm Pat. My mom was Helen Doughten and John Austin Revel was her Uncle. He was my great Uncle Austin and I loved him very much. He and his brother Homer visited us at our home in Anaheim when I was a little girl and when I was in high School we visted he and his wife Ella at their place in Visalia when my grandmother was visiting from Oklahoma. I never had the pleasure of meeting Pearl. I haver recently met Donna Sutliff whose great grandmother was the sister of Nancy Grubb and she too was thrilled to hear verification of our native american heritage.