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Edmund or Edmond Dietzel / Deitzel

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Re: Edmund or Edmond Dietzel / Deitzel

Posted: 1411939591000
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Lots of good research from the volunteer above. I spent a lot of time yesterday researching this family and I agree with her findings.

Edmond James Dietzel was born May 1957 in Germany. According to the 1910 census, Edmund was married three times.

I don’t know name of 1st wife.

I believe the 2nd wife of Edmond Dietzel was Mrs. Amanda Carden. Don’t know when they married, but they are listed as parents of Elizabeth and Anna.

The 3rd wife of Edmond Dietzel was Effie Arthur.
“Erdman” Dietzel married Effy A. Arthur 12 Dec 1894 in Randolph Co. WVA (He was 40; she was 16) (In some places she is listed as Effie Rose)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY7X-HBW

Known children of Edmond James Dietzel:
1. Mary Elizabeth Dietzel, born 1884; married 1st Shed Carpenter and 2nd Nathaniel T. Rose
2. Lena Dietzel, born 1889; married Harvey A. Childers in 1909
3. Anna Dietzel, born 1893; married James Rose in 1911
4. David Harmon Dietzel, 18 Nov 1897; married Laura M. Hallenbaugh in 1914
5. Margaret “Maggie” Dietzel, born 1900; married Homer Stallman in 1916
6. George Dietzel, born 24 Aug 1902; married Dolly Kelley in 1924
7. Edmond “Eddie” James Dietzel, born 16 Mar 1907; married Delphia Elizabeth Robinson in 1932
8. William Dietzel, born 1908; died 25 Dec 1912
9. Austin Albro Dietzel, born 1910; married Mattie Golden Robinson in 1939

1900 Webster Co. WVA (Fork Lick District Addisontown)
Edmon Dritzell Head M 43 Germany (married 5 years) (born May 1857)
Effa E Dritzell Wife F 22 WVA (married 5 yrs; 1 child-1 child living)
David H Dritzell Son M 3 WVA
Elizabeth Dritzell Dau F 16 WVA
Lena Dritzell Dau F 11 WVA
Anna Dritzell Dau F 8 WVA

1910 Upshur Co. WVA
Edmund Deitzel Head M 55 Germany (married 3 times) 14 years this marriage
Effie Deitzel Wife F 31 WVA (5 children/5 living)
David Deitzel Son M 12 WVA
Maggie Deitzel Dau F 10 WVA
George Deitzel Son M 8 WVA
Eddie Deitzel Son M 5 WVA
William Deitzel Son M 2 WVA
Annie Deitzel Dau F 17 WVA

Edmond Dietzel’s 3rd wife, Effie is still a mystery to me. Looks like she was born 4 Jul 1877. As stated before, she is not in household of Tobias Rose in 1880.

1870 Webster Co. WVA
Tobias Rose M 26 VA
Rebecca J Rose F 29 VA
May A Arther F 8 VA (Mary A.)
Robert M Arther M 6 VA
George E Rose M 3 WVA
Sarah A Rose F 0 WVA

1880 Fork Lick, Webster Co. WVA
Tobias Rose Self M 33 WVA
Jane A Rose Wife F 37 WVA (Rebecca Jane Arthur)
Mary A Rose Dau F 17 WVA
Robert Rose Son M 16 WVA
George Rose Son M 12 WVA (George Edward Rose born 12 Dec 1866)
Sallie Rose Dau F 10 WVA
Nathaniel Rose Son M 8 WVA (Nathaniel Thomas Rose, born 15 Feb 1873)
Rian Rose Son M 4 WVA (Uriah Rose, born 3 Mar 1876)
Scott Rose Son M 3 WVA

We know that Tobias Rose married Rebecca Jane Arthur. Tobias was born about 1845 according to 1850 – 1870 censuses.

I think Rebecca Jane Arthur was born 1 Sep 1840. I believe her parents were Wilson Arthur and Mary Miller.

It appears (from 1870 census) that young Tobias is not the father of the 1st two children: Mary and Robert. This would indicate that Rebecca Jane may have been married to an Arthur before she married Tobias. This confuses me even more since “Effie Arthur” or “Effie Rose” was not born until 1877. Where was Effie in 1880?

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Regarding the 2nd wife of Edmond Dietzel: (Amanda Carden or Amanda Williams):

Edmond Dietzel’s first child, Mary Elizabeth Dietzel (b. 1884) married 1st Shed Carpenter and 2nd Nathaniel Thomas Rose (son of Tobias Rose).

Nathaniel T Rose married 1st Martha J Taylor in 1891.
Nathaniel T. Rose married 2nd Mrs. Mary S. Carpenter 1907. Her age 22. Married at home of Tobias Rose.
Parents of Nathaniel Rose were Tobias Rose and Jane Arthur.
Nathaniel’s WWI Registration form in 1917 list nearest relative as Mary Lizzie Rose.

Now, look at this series of census records for Nathaniel Thomas Rose:

1910 WVA
Nathanial T Rose Head M 37 WVA
Mary E Rose Wife F 25 WVA (Mary Elizabeth Dietzel)
Tobias E Rose Father M 63 WVA

1920 Webster Co. WVA
Nathaniel T Rose Head M 46 WVA
Mary S Rose Wife F 40 WVA (age is off but this is Mary Elizabeth Dietzel)
Stephen Rose Son M 5 WVA
Anna L Rose Dau F 1 WVA
Austin A Datsel Stepson M 10 WVA (Austin A. Dietzel – son of Edmund & Effie)

(Seems there must be a census mistake here. Instead of “stepson,” shouldn’t Austin be a brother-in-law to Nathaniel Rose since Austin is youngest half-brother to Mary Elizabeth Dietzel)?

1930 Webster Co. WVA
Thomas Rose Head M 57 WVA (Nathaniel Thomas Rose)
Mary L Rose Wife F 46 WVA (Mary Elizabeth “Lizzie” Dietzel)
Stephen Rose Son M 15 WVA
Fay A Rose Dau F 11 WVA
Willie R Rose Son M 6 WVA
Austin Dietzel Brother-in-law M 19 WVA
Perry Carden Brother-in-law M 57 WVA
Willie Carden Boarder M 16 WVA
Mary Carden Boarder F 6 WVA

Now, here in 1930, we see that Austin Dietzel is corrected enumerated as a brother-in-law to Nathaniel Thomas Rose. The interesting thing is that Perry Carden is also listed as a brother-in-law to Nathaniel which implies that Perry Carden was a brother (or step-brother) to Mary Elizabeth Dietzel. Am I seeing this correctly?

Remember, the mother of Mary Elizabeth Dietzel was Amanda Carden. Perhaps she was Amanda Williams who first married a Carden before she married Edmond Dietzel?

According to the delayed birth certificate of Perry Commodore Carden, Perry’s parents were William Carden and Amanda Williams. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VRXG-9Y3

The death certificate for Perry Carden says his parents were Henry Carden and Mandy Williams. So, I guess Perry’s father could be “William Henry” Carden. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NMJF-63R

If my guess about 1930 census is correct, Mary Elizabeth Dietzel and Perry Commodore Carden were half-siblings and Amanda Williams Carden Dietzel was the mother of both.

Ken
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