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Subject: Re: Pahmeyer
Author: Lila Garner
Date: Monday, October 8, 2018
Classification: Query

Thank you so much for writing. Looking at my database, I can't figure out from which Friederike you descend. Are you from the Denmark line?

I don’t know if there is a limit on then length of messages [later--it looks like my entire paste worked], so I’m giving the information on finding my book online. Unfortunately, it is no longer found in the Family History Library Catalog, and I’ve been working for a long time trying to get it back!

My book, The Ancestors of Two Brothers: Thomas Earl Garner and Robert Paul Garner by Lila Niemann Garner can be found at

The index begins after page 770.

Meanwhile, I’m going to paste the pertinent part of my Hachmeister-Pahmeyer research which explains why I had the wrong name for the Pahmeyer lady when I posted my query. You will find it on pages 304-306, in case the message-board limit is too small for it. The formatting will doubtless be lost, as is the footnote which is not really necessary.

100 – Johann Christoph HACHMEISTER was born about 1718 at Hillegossen, Heepen parish, Westfalen, Preussen to Berend Peter Hachmeister and his second wife, Anna Magdalena née Meyer zu Elentrup. A gap in the Heepen church records complicates research on the family.

Background: Michael Ortmann, a genealogist living in Münster, Germany, had given me the clue that led me to look in Heepen for Hachmeister’s family when he sent the genealogy of Hachmeister’s Pahmeyer wife—his third—from whom we descend. Before Heepen came into my scheme, I was looking at Hagemeisters in Detmold—the pastor in Oerlinghausen had spelled the name ‘Hagmeister’.

Michael was familiar with the gaps in the Heepen church records, and stated that much of his information was found in the Staatsarchiv in Münster, where many farm histories are on file.

Heepen churchbooks record banns being published for Johann Christoph Hachmeister and Anna Ilsabein Lüking, although the entry doesn’t state she was Anna Ilsabein née Niedermeier, the widow of Johann Christoph Lüking. No date is stated, but the entry comes next after another couple’s marriage is recorded on 11 December 1750. No actual marriage entry could be found.

Marriage to the Lüking farm was a real step up in the world for Hachmeister. Michael:

“With Lüking, #1 Ubbedissen, you came in the very upper class of farms. You can find many files concerning these big farms in the Staatsarchiv Münster (County of Ravensberg, Amt [Administrative District] Sparrenberg, Vogtei [Bailiwick, District, ‘Shire’] Heepen) and in the Staatsarchiv Detmold (Principality Lippe, Amt Oerlinghausen).…”

Anna Ilsabein, from Billinghausen in Stapelage parish, Lippe-Detmold, had married Johann Christoffel Lüking on 12 March 1736, the marriage recorded both in Stapelage and Oerlinghausen. She bore three sons and two daughters to him before he died on 24 April 1749 at the age of 46.

On 4 April 1751, the Oerlinghausen churchbook records the baptism of twins, Johann Christoph Lüking and Johann Phillip Lüking to the “Lüking wife of Johann Christoph Hagmeister”. Johann Phillip died at the age of eight days, and the mother died on 16 April 1751, two weeks after the twins’ birth. When I couldn’t find Johann Christoph’s death, but knew he was not the same Johann Christoph who married Hanne Kathrina Elisabeth Keiser zu Dingerdissen (yet they were sons of the same father) I concluded that perhaps one of the Godparents had taken charge of him. Clues about relatives as Godparents led me to Heepen, where I thought I might find his confirmation, but I found his death, at the age of nine weeks, recorded in the Heepen churchbook.

On 5 November 1752, Lüking married Anna Maria Ilsabein Homann or Hohmann who was born about 1730. By this time, the widower bridegroom was Johann Christoph Lüking, and nothing was mentioned about his name having been changed from Hachmeister when this marriage was recorded. No children were found for the couple, and she died at Ubbedissen, age 25, a day or two before her funeral and burial on 5 June 1755, which is recorded in the Oerlinghausen churchbooks.

Hachmeister, having married the big, important farm at Ubbedissen and assumed the Lüking surname, was still without an heir.

On 18 November 1755, Johann Christoph Lüking, né Hachmeister, married as his third wife our ancestor, Ammalia Margareta Pahmeyer, at Oerlinghausen. The Oerlinghausen pastor recorded her name differently each time she was mentioned in the churchbooks; for a time I thought Johann Christoph had married two or more Pahmeyer sisters in succession, but the farm history extracted by Michael Ortmann clearly indicates that her name was Ammalia Margareta. Knowing that, I concluded that all five of his children borne by a Pahmeyer wife had the same mother although the pastor never got her name exactly right.

Two sons and three daughters were born to the couple.

He died of dropsy on 2 November 1793 at Ubbedissen, Westfalen, Preussen, at the age of 75 years and three months, which works out to a birth date in July, 1718. The Oerlinghausen church record doesn’t say whether 2 November is the burial date or the death date; if it is the burial date, he died a day or two earlier.

Siblings, surname Hachmeister
Marie Ilsabein
[Johann Christoph]
Johan, the heir (because his elder brother married a bigger farm)
Anne Ilsabein

Parents are Numbers 200 and 201.

101 – Ammalia Margarete PAHMEYER was born 8 August 1731 to Johann Dietrich Meyer zu Heepen (known as Colon Pahmeyer) and his wife Anna Ilsabein née Meyer zu Jerrendorf, at the Pahmeyer farm, Brake Number 1, at Brake, Westfalen. Her birth and baptism were recorded at the Münster Church in Herford, Westfalen.

I was very stymied trying to find her, because I knew that I really didn’t know her name; so many names were given for her that for a time I thought Lüking né Hachmeister had married two or more Pahmeyer sisters, although I couldn’t find any suitable wives in the death records nor could I find additional marriages for him. In the Oerlinghausen churchbooks, she is Anna Dorothea Loise (this on the marriage entry, where the date matches Michael’s data), Anna Malia, Loisa, Amalia, Anna Maria Margarethe. Record of the last child and her death entry come closest: “Amalia Margret.” and “Amalia Marg.” Sometimes the pastor leaves the ‘h’ out of Pahmeyer, and once wrote “Pameijer”. The ‘ij’ looks like ‘ÿ’ when written by hand.

The Internet solved my problem. I posted a question on a Rootsweb message board, asking about her ancestry, and Michael answered. I infer from his E-mail address that he is affiliated with the University in Münster. He wrote,

“I have the lineage of the Pahmeyer farm in Brake #1 (parish Herford - Münster church). There is a Amalia Margarethe Pahmyer, born 1731 Aug. 8, who married 1755 Nov. 18 Johann Christoph Lücking. Is this person your ancestor, although the different first names?”

I suppose he didn’t have his books at hand because even he didn’t spell her name exactly as he had typed it into his genealogy program; he did send the entire lineage. The Lüking name is often spelled with a ‘c’, ‘Lücking’. The marriage date is the clincher here, because it is a perfect match.

Ammalia bore two sons and three daughters to Lüking between 1757 and 1770.

She died at Ubbedissen on 18 June 1793 (or that may be her funeral and burial date). The cause of death is stated but it is abbreviated so that I’m uncertain, but it may be dropsy.

Parents are Numbers 202 and 203.