Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM - Poland, Selected Records of Jews in the Radom District During WWII
Extra Keying Helps and resources
So far the images I have keyed and arbitrated were weekly wage lists of jewish workers who worked for the German occupiers and were paid by them.
These lists have the names and sometimes given names of the workers, on some lists the place of work, the hours worked, the hourly rate and the wages earned. The list was checked. authorised and then sent to the cash office for payment.
-- Elisabeth_Power 13.Jun 2011
I have keyed images where poultry and dairy products have been confiscated from householders. The document date can be anywhere and it requires looking all over the document finding the name(s) and place of location. They may be on or more people listed per document. There are no duplicates. Every document must be keyed as the first document says the items are confiscated and given to a company to sell and the second lists the individuell items and the price.
I have also keyed a batch of documents dealing with pleads by parents to have their children relased from hard labour. Two document types. The first is the plead to lease the child. I only keyed the parents name and address. The second is from the Council of Jews certfying the date of birth of the child. On this document I only keyed the details of the child.
I have come across court cases where Jews left their district without permission and were sentenced to death. These are difficult for keyers who cannot read German as the name, date of birth and residence location can be anywhere within the document. It is also very upsetting to read. Sometimes the case runs over several pages and not all have at least the name on it. For these I chose the format "cover page"
-- Elisabeth Power 5 July 1911
Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers
- Duplicate images: A duplicate is a true photographic copy of another image in batch you are currently indexing.
- Lists that duplicate names are not necessarily duplicate records. Indentical lists for different dates are not considered duplicates. You will find many documents that cover the same people, but it is important to note that the documents are not usually actually identical, they have different dates and sometimes contain different information. They often contain different spellings of the names. For example one had the name Israel spelled Jsrael, and another Izrael. -stein, -schtein, -sztejn, and -zstajn are frequently changed between documents. I have mostly been arbitrating against keyers who have been marking as duplicate, especially on typewritten records with not too many names. If you've gotten a "needs improvement" rating, this may well be why.
- Diacriticals: be sure to key them. But be aware of which diacriticals are actually present in Polish and German. See the Polish handwriting helps.
- Handwriting: so far I've seen bad Sütterlin, with a couple Latin style characters mixed in, sorry. Fortunately the bulk of records are typed. What looks like a "ŭ" is actually just a standard "u", the hook is to distinguish the character from an "n". Learn to read Sütterlin
--Paulmd199 22:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be confusion between the place of birth and residence. If it says for example .... .... geb 14.10.1910 in the word "in" defines it as the place of birth. If it says .... ... aus ... then that is the place of residence.
--Elisabeth power 18:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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The instructions have been edited in this paragraph and should help to avoid confusion about lists created outside of a pre-printed form.
Updated: For records that contain tables or name lists, key each person as a separate record. For other records such as correspondence, biographies, narratives, or other documents that do not consist of pre-printed forms and would otherwise require translating and reading through a block of text, only key the name of the primary individual, which should appear at the top of the page or somewhere near the beginning of the text. Do not worry about keying any other names mentioned in the document, as they may not necessarily be victims or survivors of the Holocaust.
Original: For records such as correspondence, biographies, narratives, or other documents that do not consist of pre-printed forms and would otherwise require translating and reading through a block of text, only key the name of the primary individual, which should appear at the top of the page or somewhere near the beginning of the text. Do not worry about keying any other names mentioned in the document.
I have several problems with it.
1) "Preprinted form" This would say to some that if the form didn't run through a printing press that only one person would be keyed. Many of the documents have tables generated by typewriter or even by hand that are quite easy to extract. And several document types also have lists of names that are also easy to extract.
2) Since you do have to read through bodies of text anyway for letters to be sure of obtaining complete information of the primary person, it is really not saving any effort to omit secondary people mentioned on these documents.
3) The images will not be online. Any name not extracted is lost. This is damaging to the usefulness of the index and is a disservice to researchers.
4) The directions actually add a level of complexity to the project, not simplify it.
--Paulmd199 07:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Response to your other concerns:
We’re creating indexes of victims and survivors. Random names within correspondence or narratives may not always be victims or survivors. AWAP is working in collaboration with USHMM in determining the information collected from these documents. In this collection, it has been determined to only collect information on the primary individual when searching through a block of text for names.
The images for this collection will be available through the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Q: And how precisely does one ask for an image without referencing a name? I believe that secondary persons are rarely actually random names, they are frequently family members or associates of the primary person. The chances that such individuals became victims or survivors of the holocaust themselves is high. --Paulmd199 22:31, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
A: While not being completely familiar with these records, one might assume that the other names could also be victims or survivors. However, as we work in setting up these projects with the Museum, who is very familiar with these record sets, it has been determined that the primary individual in this collection is the appropriate data to collect.Thank you for you suggestion and we appreciate all your efforts with the World Archvies Project.