Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM – Poland, Lòdz Ghetto Register Books, 1939-1944 (Part 1)
Extra Keying Helps
Common abbreviations found in the Bemerkungen column.
Taken from the JewishGen database description. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html
Streets within the Lodz Ghetto.
The Polish alphabet. Grey indicates letters not used in native words. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet
Supplemental Polish occupation lists
Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers
Questions and Answers
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I still have 2 questions. Are we keying Kind or not in the Beruf column? When wym is followed by a date and a place name in the Bemerkungen column do we key this as deportation as instructed? It looks like a move to another address and not a deportation. Patricia 1/26/13
1/31/13 I received this reply from Tim at Support: The Wym, while it may appear that they simply moved to a different location, this is a deportation date, so we ask that you key this in as the deportation date. The Beruf column is for profession, which while Kind, or child isn't really a profession, if that is what it has in this column, please key that in. We appreciate your contributions to the World Archives Project.
The image I am keying does not have a "Madechenname oder Name des Mannes" column, however I believe the maiden name is included in the "Name" column as there are often females with two values in this field separated by "geb." (eg, 'Srafin geb. Rotkel') Can someone please provide guidance on how these should be keyed? Rebekah 1/28/13
A: I would key the geb name as maiden name. --Katerimmer 08:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
USHMM Message Board Questions and Answers
Q:I'm working on my first set of Łódź register books and I have 2 questions. I attach a small sample of Kenkarten Nr column. It's obvious from the way it's written that the numbers are 019014, 019015, 019016 but there's no as above mark. Do we enter 019014, 019015, 019016 or do we literally key as seen 019014, 15, 16? I've found this unanswered question on wiki discussion page: „(...)When wym is followed by a date and a place name in the Bemerkungen column do we key this as deportation as instructed? It looks like a move to another address and not a deportation. Patricia 1/26/13” (Wym)eldowany means „change of registration to new address” - it's even in the wiki. In the set that I'm working on wym+date is followed by a new address in the ghetto.
A:The first question has previously been answered by Anna and she said to copy the digits down from the full card number, i.e. you would key 019014, 019015, 019016 etc.
As for the second question, there has been no answer from WAP about this (as far as I know) so we have to carry on keying the "wym" date as deportation date until we hear otherwise. I suppose they could always change the name of the field to "event date" when the database goes live if it turns out these are not deportation dates.
Q: I have a follow up question re: Kenkarten Nr. I have a set where the first number of the column- the only one that has all the digits - is obscured. The rest of the column is as above with only the last two digits noted. Should I just put what I can read, even if it is only two digits, mark it as illegible or leave it blank?
Q: As I am keying the gender, "M" does not extend to Männlich and has to be marked as correct. "März" also needs to be marked as correct in the birthdate column.
A: M should not be marked as correct - it should be keyed as Männlich and this does come up on the list of suggested entries when I am keying so I am not sure why you are not seeing it. I have found no problem with März either. --Katerimmer 09:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Is there any place where there is a complete list of Professions? That is the section I am having the most trouble with. A: I found a list of professions on the Internet but when I tried to enter it here, the formatting messed up. You can Google Professions in German. Patricia
A2: Entering the <pre> tags around data of this kind will preserve the alignment. I've got your professions list here below.
Berufe - Professions Englisch Deutsch architect der Architekt auto mechanic der Automechaniker baker der Bäcker bank teller der Bankangestellte, die Bankangestellte bricklayer, stone mason der Maurer broker der Makler stock broker der Börsenmakler real estate agent/broker der Immobilienmakler bus driver der Busfahrer computer programer der Programmierer, die Programmiererin cook, chef der Koch, der Chefkoch die Köchin, die Chefköchin doctor, physician der Arzt, die Ärztin employee, white-collar worker der Angestellte, die Angestellte employee, blue-collar worker der Arbeiter, die Arbeiterin IT worker Angestellte/Angestellter in der Informatik joiner, cabinetmaker der Tischler journalist der Journalist musician der Musiker nurse der Krankenpfleger, die Krankenschwester photographer der Fotograf, die Fotografin secretary der Sekretär, die Sekretärin student, pupil (K-12) der Schüler, die Schülerin student (college, univ.) der Student, die Studentin Student: Note that German makes a distinction between a school student/pupil and a college-level student. taxi driver der Taxifahrer teacher der Lehrer, die Lehrerin truck/lorry driver der Lkw-Fahrer der Fernfahrer/Brummifahrer waiter - waitress der Kellner - die Kellnerin worker, laborer der Arbeiter
The Professions are very helpful! Thank you. I have been entering Männlich and then having to mark it as correct - same with März. Perhaps it is a problem with the Mac version of the software I am using.
- I am now keying on my Mac laptop and having the same problem. It is very annoying. I do not see any way around it. I will ask Support. Patricia 2/11/13
- This is a known bug discovered in prior to community release. If you look at the lists you'll see that anything with an umlaut appears as 2 entries and not one on the suggestion list. The only workaround is to override the validation when you have to. --Paulmd199 18:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Q: I am working on an entry and I noticed that its seems that the surnames have been written under "vorname" and first names have been wriiten under "name." Do I key as seen or do I key in the correct fields? Rachel 4/16/2013
- A: Key in the correct fields. --Katerimmer 06:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Q: If there is a Dr which would be a prefix in other projects but there is no prefix column here, do I ignore it or key it in the Given Name space? Patricia 4/14/13
- A: Ignore it. --Katerimmer 21:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Q. Is the column "Abgem. den" a reflection of deportation dates? Even as a native German I don't understand this entry or if it is important? Andrew 4/21/13
- A: No, we ignore this column. --Katerimmer 21:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Q: If the Register Page shows the title of the building but no names are listed, do we call this a cover page or do we enter it as a Register Page with the place as the title only? Patricia 5/31/13
- A: Cover page. --Katerimmer 17:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Q: I am reviewing a Register where the months are all written in Polish but the person has entered them in German. Should I change these to what is originally written on the image or leave them in German? Patricia 3 June 1913
- A: The instructions appear to say that the months should always be keyed in German as far as I can see. --Katerimmer 22:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Q; if the Männlich and Weiblich have obviously been put in the opposite columns but the writer has not changed it at the top as they sometimes do, do I key as seen or change to the correct sex? Also I have not yet seen an answer to the question put higher up in this section about keying partial numbers under Kennkarten when that is all that is visible. Patricia 10 June 2013
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Suggestion - the list of suggested entries for Given Name should be replaced with the list that was used for the Lodz Vital Records project as this is much more comprehensive. The list currently used for this project excludes many very common given names but they appear in the Vital Records list. --Katerimmer 09:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)