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Kateshort2: /* Class of Service */

Kateshort2 — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:39:43 GMT

Class of Service

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	:A: I'm not sure on this, but I would key what is listed under class of service column as the occupation. -- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 23:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)		:A: I'm not sure on this, but I would key what is listed under class of service column as the occupation. -- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 23:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

-	Q:  I have a class of service column as stated above with no occupation column, but in the header, it says "Time of <u>Firemen </u>period <u>last </u>month of...".  Should I list Fireman as the occupation for everyone on this page or list the class of service as the occupation?	+	Q:  I have a class of service column as stated above with no occupation column, but in the header, it says "Time of <u>Firemen </u>period <u>last </u>month of...".  Should I list Fireman as the occupation for everyone on this page or list the class of service as the occupation?
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		+	:A: Since "Firemen" is an occupation and "Freight" and "Passenger" are types of trains rather than occupations, I think that should fall under the same idea as the pages with alphabetical lists of names that give an occupation at the top and for which the occupation column is blank-- copy down the occupation (as "Fire'''men'''" rather than "Fireman", due to the "key as seen" rule) for everyone on the page. -- [[User:Kateshort2\|Kateshort2]] 21:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Kateshort2 at 19:56, 27 January 2013

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Kdw18 at 03:26, 10 January 2013

Kdw18 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:26:27 GMT

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	:A: No		:A: No

-	Do not list the payroll examiners name listed at the bottom of the payroll forms.	+	Do not list the payroll examiners name listed at the bottom of the payroll forms.

	== Keying Sample ==		== Keying Sample ==

Kdw18 at 03:26, 10 January 2013

Kdw18 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:26:19 GMT

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	== Questions and Answers ==		== Questions and Answers ==

-	'''<span style="color: orange;">If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.</span>''' I am not sure how to enter the occupations of several people I have come across because I see 2 answers that may pertain to my problem. There are several people who have their name listed only once but under occupation, they may have 2 or 3 listings one on top of the other but neither "and" or "&" is used.  In one answer, it is said that you should just list the occupations next to each other, but that would not make sense. For instance,in one case, the occupations are Fire Build, Host Help & AP Clean so it would be long and confusing to just enter all of this especially with no commas.  But in another example, it is mentioned that if there are 2 occupations, to list them as 2 records (although in the sample, the name is actually listed twice).  I have entered these workers with multiple occupations as individual records which means that a person's name may actually be listed 2 or 3 times but I have not yet submitted them since I am waiting for your answer.	+	'''<span style="color: orange;">If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.</span>''' <br>General, Choice of Form Type, and What Records to Key and Not Key
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	Q: I have come upon an Occupation that I cannot decipher. The individual is listed as "Trackwalker [next line] and Clean Oil ????" Do I enter [Illegible] for the entire Field or simply type [Illegible] for the word I cannot make out.  I've read ahead and don't see anyone with a similar occupation listed.		Q: I have come upon an Occupation that I cannot decipher. The individual is listed as "Trackwalker [next line] and Clean Oil ????" Do I enter [Illegible] for the entire Field or simply type [Illegible] for the word I cannot make out.  I've read ahead and don't see anyone with a similar occupation listed.
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	:A: No		:A: No

-	Do not list the payroll examiners name listed at the bottom of the payroll forms.	+	Do not list the payroll examiners name listed at the bottom of the payroll forms.

	== Keying Sample ==		== Keying Sample ==

Kdw18 at 04:27, 8 January 2013

Kdw18 — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:27:06 GMT

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Paulmd199 at 19:14, 17 December 2012

Paulmd199 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:14:53 GMT

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	Q: On a payroll page that has employee signatures on each line, is it appropriate to use the signature to help decipher the name? As an example the name “Brawn” appears in the listing but the signature is clearly “Brown”.		Q: On a payroll page that has employee signatures on each line, is it appropriate to use the signature to help decipher the name? As an example the name “Brawn” appears in the listing but the signature is clearly “Brown”.
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		+	:A: yes Signatures should take priority. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 19:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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	Q: The occupation field in the set I'm working on appears to contain the identity of the engine or car that the employee was working on or transferring.  The heading at the top says "Tranferring B/O cars"  Should I just leave the Occupation field blank unless it is clearly an occupation?		Q: The occupation field in the set I'm working on appears to contain the identity of the engine or car that the employee was working on or transferring.  The heading at the top says "Tranferring B/O cars"  Should I just leave the Occupation field blank unless it is clearly an occupation?
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		+	:A: Yes, things like places in the Occupation field should not keyed. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 19:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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	==== Class of Service ====		==== Class of Service ====

Jandv: /* Occupation */

Jandv — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:09:56 GMT

Occupation

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	:A: We don't know for sure if the other persons on the page are conductors, trainmen, etc. I would leave the other lines blank. I've been accepting them when they do key them as the same, but I would leave them blank. -- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 02:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)		:A: We don't know for sure if the other persons on the page are conductors, trainmen, etc. I would leave the other lines blank. I've been accepting them when they do key them as the same, but I would leave them blank. -- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 02:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

-	Q. I have a list of people who all have the same occupation "Blacksmith", with ditto marks down the page. In the middle of the page there is a name with one ditto mark and an added word "Hdyman". After that entry the ones below it only have double ditto marks.I am confused as to whether the names below the Blacksmith Hdyman name should be just Blacksmith or Blacksmith Hdyman.	+	Q. I have a list of people who all have the same occupation "Blacksmith", with ditto marks down the page. In the middle of the page there is a name with one ditto mark and an added word "Hdyman". After that entry the ones below it only have double ditto marks.I am confused as to whether the names below the Blacksmith Hdyman name should be just Blacksmith or Blacksmith Hdyman.

	:A Styles individual clerks use may vary somewhat, you will have to interpret best as you are able. I hesitate to guess without looking at a image, but from your description I think there is only one "Blacksmith Hdyman" and the others are Blacksmith--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)		:A Styles individual clerks use may vary somewhat, you will have to interpret best as you are able. I hesitate to guess without looking at a image, but from your description I think there is only one "Blacksmith Hdyman" and the others are Blacksmith--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

-	Q: I have been keying in records, and it is getting difficult and/or discouraging to not know if I'm doing them correctly. I keep reviewing the notes. In looking at the Occupation instructions on putting "blanks" between them. So is this never and/or when it looks like there's no blank or what?? I keyed in a list of names with occupations of "F B" where the "F" was on the very left and "B" on the very right of the Occupation column. I don't even know if these were truly occupations and/or summaries of ?? Should I have keyed them as "FB" or "F B". In previous keying I keyed "F B Clerk", etc. So this is why I wonder if they are truly occupations.	+	Q: I have been keying in records, and it is getting difficult and/or discouraging to not know if I'm doing them correctly. I keep reviewing the notes. In looking at the Occupation instructions on putting "blanks" between them. So is this never and/or when it looks like there's no blank or what?? I keyed in a list of names with occupations of "F B" where the "F" was on the very left and "B" on the very right of the Occupation column. I don't even know if these were truly occupations and/or summaries of ?? Should I have keyed them as "FB" or "F B". In previous keying I keyed "F B Clerk", etc. So this is why I wonder if they are truly occupations.

-	:A: I would prefer to see an image on this one. Could you upload one here or on the message boards? "FB" vs "F B" will not affect your accuracy, but I'm also not sure if these are truly part of the Occupation or not. If you click on this red link [[~~image~~:CalifRR.jpg]], you will get an image upload dialog for your sample. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)	+	:A: I would prefer to see an image on this one. Could you upload one here or on the message boards? "FB" vs "F B" will not affect your accuracy, but I'm also not sure if these are truly part of the Occupation or not. If you click on this red link [[Image:CalifRR.jpg]], you will get an image upload dialog for your sample. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

	::I submitted the page already. This tells me perhaps I should stop keying when I'm not sure and ask before continuing. I studied the page over and over, and it seemed to look like a regular payroll page. All names were names versus company names, etc. I'm still not sure on the "blanks" because the keying tool has occupations with blanks and nonblanks when them seem to say the same thing. Such as "F B Y M" and "FBYM" are both in the keying tool. So which way is correct? And "4Man" is in keying tool, but instructions say to key in "Foreman" not "4Man".		::I submitted the page already. This tells me perhaps I should stop keying when I'm not sure and ask before continuing. I studied the page over and over, and it seemed to look like a regular payroll page. All names were names versus company names, etc. I'm still not sure on the "blanks" because the keying tool has occupations with blanks and nonblanks when them seem to say the same thing. Such as "F B Y M" and "FBYM" are both in the keying tool. So which way is correct? And "4Man" is in keying tool, but instructions say to key in "Foreman" not "4Man".

	:::You should put the spaces if the original document has them, and if not then not. Keying "Foreman" when the record says "4man" is the one exception to the normal key as seen rule on this project, it is because numbers are difficult to type in Occupation field. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 06:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)		:::You should put the spaces if the original document has them, and if not then not. Keying "Foreman" when the record says "4man" is the one exception to the normal key as seen rule on this project, it is because numbers are difficult to type in Occupation field. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 06:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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		+	Q: The occupation field in the set I'm working on appears to contain the identity of the engine or car that the employee was working on or transferring.  The heading at the top says "Tranferring B/O cars"  Should I just leave the Occupation field blank unless it is clearly an occupation?

	==== Class of Service ====		==== Class of Service ====

Jandv at 14:08, 17 December 2012

Jandv — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:08:43 GMT

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	:A: If the date is beside the name, you would key that date. If a date is not beside the name, use the date at the top of the form which usually says 1 - 15 or 16 - 30 (31). Key the last date such as 15 for 1st - 15th or 30 or 31 for 16th - 30th (or 31st). -- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 16:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)		:A: If the date is beside the name, you would key that date. If a date is not beside the name, use the date at the top of the form which usually says 1 - 15 or 16 - 30 (31). Key the last date such as 15 for 1st - 15th or 30 or 31 for 16th - 30th (or 31st). -- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 16:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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	Q: Surname problem: in the surname column is only a number preceeded by a pound sign. How should this be keyed?		Q: Surname problem: in the surname column is only a number preceeded by a pound sign. How should this be keyed?
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	-- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 18:19, 6 August 2012 (UTC)		-- [[User:Wiedwoman\|Wiedwoman]] 18:19, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
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		+	Q: On a payroll page that has employee signatures on each line, is it appropriate to use the signature to help decipher the name? As an example the name “Brawn” appears in the listing but the signature is clearly “Brown”.

	==== Occupation  ====		==== Occupation  ====

Paulmd199: /* Occupation */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:18:09 GMT

Occupation

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	Q. I have a list of people who all have the same occupation "Blacksmith", with ditto marks down the page. In the middle of the page there is a name with one ditto mark and an added word "Hdyman". After that entry the ones below it only have double ditto marks.I am confused as to whether the names below the Blacksmith Hdyman name should be just Blacksmith or Blacksmith Hdyman.		Q. I have a list of people who all have the same occupation "Blacksmith", with ditto marks down the page. In the middle of the page there is a name with one ditto mark and an added word "Hdyman". After that entry the ones below it only have double ditto marks.I am confused as to whether the names below the Blacksmith Hdyman name should be just Blacksmith or Blacksmith Hdyman.

-	:A Styles individual clerks use may vary somewhat, you will have to interpret best as you are able. I hesitate to guess without looking at a image, but from ~~you~~ description I think there is only one "Blacksmith Hdyman" and the others are Blacksmith--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)	+	:A Styles individual clerks use may vary somewhat, you will have to interpret best as you are able. I hesitate to guess without looking at a image, but from your description I think there is only one "Blacksmith Hdyman" and the others are Blacksmith--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

	Q: I have been keying in records, and it is getting difficult and/or discouraging to not know if I'm doing them correctly. I keep reviewing the notes. In looking at the Occupation instructions on putting "blanks" between them. So is this never and/or when it looks like there's no blank or what?? I keyed in a list of names with occupations of "F B" where the "F" was on the very left and "B" on the very right of the Occupation column. I don't even know if these were truly occupations and/or summaries of ?? Should I have keyed them as "FB" or "F B". In previous keying I keyed "F B Clerk", etc. So this is why I wonder if they are truly occupations.		Q: I have been keying in records, and it is getting difficult and/or discouraging to not know if I'm doing them correctly. I keep reviewing the notes. In looking at the Occupation instructions on putting "blanks" between them. So is this never and/or when it looks like there's no blank or what?? I keyed in a list of names with occupations of "F B" where the "F" was on the very left and "B" on the very right of the Occupation column. I don't even know if these were truly occupations and/or summaries of ?? Should I have keyed them as "FB" or "F B". In previous keying I keyed "F B Clerk", etc. So this is why I wonder if they are truly occupations.

Paulmd199: /* Occupation */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:14:22 GMT

Occupation

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	:A: I would prefer to see an image on this one. Could you upload one here or on the message boards? "FB" vs "F B" will not affect your accuracy, but I'm also not sure if these are truly part of the Occupation or not. If you click on this red link [[image:CalifRR.jpg]], you will get an image upload dialog for your sample. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)		:A: I would prefer to see an image on this one. Could you upload one here or on the message boards? "FB" vs "F B" will not affect your accuracy, but I'm also not sure if these are truly part of the Occupation or not. If you click on this red link [[image:CalifRR.jpg]], you will get an image upload dialog for your sample. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 05:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

-	I submitted the page already. This tells me perhaps I should stop keying when I'm not sure and ask before continuing. I studied the page over and over, and it seemed to look like a regular payroll page. All names were names versus company names, etc. I'm still not sure on the "blanks" because the keying tool has occupations with blanks and nonblanks when them seem to say the same thing. Such as "F B Y M" and "FBYM" are both in the keying tool. So which way is correct? And "4Man" is in keying tool, but instructions say to key in "Foreman" not "4Man".	+	::I submitted the page already. This tells me perhaps I should stop keying when I'm not sure and ask before continuing. I studied the page over and over, and it seemed to look like a regular payroll page. All names were names versus company names, etc. I'm still not sure on the "blanks" because the keying tool has occupations with blanks and nonblanks when them seem to say the same thing. Such as "F B Y M" and "FBYM" are both in the keying tool. So which way is correct? And "4Man" is in keying tool, but instructions say to key in "Foreman" not "4Man".
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		+	:::You should put the spaces if the original document has them, and if not then not. Keying "Foreman" when the record says "4man" is the one exception to the normal key as seen rule on this project, it is because numbers are difficult to type in Occupation field. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 06:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

	==== Class of Service ====		==== Class of Service ====