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== Extra Keying Helps==
 
http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Polish_Handwriting_Helps

On the Ergänzungs- and Fragebogen there is a section where it states whether the application for an ID card is successful or not. If "abgelehnt" (denied) is marked, there will be no ID card number or an ID card issue date. It means that the persons are being resettled. An ID Card is only issued when approval is given to persons to remain in Kraków. In that case there is a large square stamp on the Frage- and Ergänzungsbogen with a 5 digit number and the issue date. In many cases there is also the signature of the person collecting the ID card. So far (Krakow Part 3) I have not seen any documents where an ID card was issued. The fields should be left blank.

'''Some keyers entered the wrong information in those fields.'''--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''From Krakow part 2''' 
 I have just begun to arbitrate these records and notice recurrent problems, some of which have been mentioned before:

1. Please do not put Jude or Judin as a prefix (it means Jew or Jewess)

2. Please do not put a 0 before a number as in a date.

3. Janner should be keyed as Januar

4. A number of miscellaneous documents and residence requests look similar but are not identical and should be keyed

5. '''Do not key the signature of the German official at the bottom of some miscellaneous documents'''.

6. '''Key only what is seen on that image, for example do not enter a name that was on a previous image but is not on the present one.'''

:I am hoping that this will help others and make the arbitration easier.

:Patricia Lewin

7. Do not create sections for the household members list. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

8. '''Remember on Residence Request documents to make sure they are exactly the same if you mark them as a duplicate image.'''

9a. Someone is keying documents that have names and dates on as cover pages. These should be miscellaneous and the information entered with the exception of the second pages of the Ergänzungsbogen and Fragebogen, which are '''cover pages'''.

b. Household member lists: For images where the left and right side pages have been separated, only the left side page (the side that lists the names), should be classified as a "Household Member List." The right-side page should be classified as "Image with no data."

10. '''International characters: '''Some keyers use characters from the international character board, that are not part of the German or Polish language. "n" with a long line above it signifies "nn". A "u" with a mark above it, simply differentiate "u" from "n". Please do not use the "u" with a bend line. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

11.  '''Duplicate image is '''when the same document is shown twice in a row. Some keyers marking "residence requests" as duplicates when almost all the information on the documents are the same although they are different documents. One documents shows the ID card number the other does not.

12. ''''Document type:''' the difference between "cover page" and "image with no data" is that the "cover page" is retained as a record even we do not key from it. A researcher can still see it by scrolling backwards or forwards. The "image with no data" is '''not  '''retained. 

:I mark all second pages and back of cards where no information is keyed from as "cover page". The only time I use "image with no data" is for a blank image or at the beginning of a microfilm, where the first images contain microfilm storage information. *

:'''Sxecano:''' '''Example of image that should be marked as cover page,[[Image:Coverpage.jpg|thumb|center|200px]]''' 
 
 
*'''The above explanation is correct, however because the images for the USHMM projects will not be available on Ancestry whether a document is categorized as a Cover page, Image with no data, or Duplicate is not as much of as issue as making sure we are keying the correct records. Only the indexes are available to be searched on Ancestry. For an example of a live USHMM database [http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2356 click here.][[User:Annafechter|Annafechter]] 15:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
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===Second page of Erganzübogen and Fragebogen form (they're cover pages)===
'''Q''': What do I enter when there is a ditto mark, indicating the same answer as above? I came across this in the Erganzungsbogen form for the Birth Country.

:'''A:''' Enter the data as above. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 02:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

''Q:''' How do we classify the second page of Ergänzungsbogen form type? 

:'''A:''' I have been arbitrating these as cover pages, as the second page is not shown on the Wiki. We do not key anything from it. I have been choosing cover page for all the other images, that we do not key, because the images is kept and can be seen when researching. If you choose "image with no date", the images is lost. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

'''Q:''' I had asked Support about the questions relating to the second pages. Here are my questions: 1. Should the second page of the Fragebogen or/and Ergänzungsbogen with the signature of the persons concerned be keyed as Miscellaneous or as Cover page etc? 2.Should the second page of the ID card (Kennkarte)be keyed if it only has the birth date of the primary person and there are no children listed on the page? Here is the reply: 1) The instructions on the project say "Records or documents that do not fall into one of the other pre-defined form types, but have names that should be keyed on them, should be classified as "Miscellaneous Documents." so I would say to key it as a Miscellaneous Document type. 2) If you've already keyed the person once and there are no other names on the image then there isn't anything else to key. If there are other names then key the names. This is not what I was doing. So I am now changing to this. '''''PatriciaLewin''''' 25 Oct 2011

'''Again question:''' Do I understand you correctly for 2): if there is only the birthdate for the name that was on the image before (no children) we should key as "cover page"?'''-Ramona''' 16 January 2012

''':A:''' Yes, this is a cover page. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 16:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

'''Q:''' This is my first batch of records for this project, and I am unsure how to proceed.  I keyed in data from Erganzungsbogen, and there appears to be a page 2?  Page one ends with question #7, and page 2 starts with question #8, but there is no option to select page 2 of this form?

:'''A:''' The second page of the questionnaire would be classified as a Cover page. -- [[User:Wiedwoman|Wiedwoman]] 02:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

'''Q:''' The Fragebogen or/and Ergänzungsbogen have a second page with the signature of the persons concerned. Some keyers have been using Misc. and have been keying the names they could find on that page. As I understand it we do not key anything from this page. I have been choosing the form "cover page". Is that correct? My second question is concerning the second page of ID cards. It has the birth date of the person on it but not the name and sometimes the children's names. As we only key from the page what we see, should we key just the date of birth, but not the name? Of course if children are listed at the bottom they must be keyed with name and date of birth. Thank you for your help. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

:'''A: By Anna Fechter (in email)''' Yes, they should be "Cover pages". We are only keying the first page of both the Erganzüngsbogen and Fragebogen. The signature on the back of the page is the person who administered the questionnaire so we don't want to capture it. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 16:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC) 
I know there has been some confusion, we appreciate your patience. We have also clarified this internally. [[User:Annafechter|Annafechter]] 17:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Q: It says that the ID cards might have a second page. Are we to index from the second page or just mark as Cover Page. On mine, it has the name on the 1st page, and the dob, etc., on the second.

===Everything else===

'''Q: '''The image set I am working on shows the person's name as Siebel Chaskel r. Fenster. On a document with the signature, it is signed Chaskel Siebel r. Fenster. I cannot find what this "r." refers to. Please advise how to enter the "r. Fenster". Thank you!

:'''A:''' r - recta, English rect, but I don't know what it means. I would key it as seen. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 13:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

:'''A2:''' The name after "recte" is the person's "real" surname, in the eyes of the civil authorities. There is occasional discussion of this topic on JewishGen mailing lists. The situation was often that the parents had a religious marriage, but not a civil marriage. A child may have been known by the father's surname, but the civil authorities considered the child illegitimate and recorded the mother's surname as the "correct" name for the child. Mitch

:'''A3:''' ''''from Anna:'''' 'I apologize for there being such a delay in my reply. I have neglected my online messaging. :( In regard to which surname. Use the first one listed (In your example I believe this would be Wolf), and then if there is an Alias or Maiden name field enter additional surnames in the appropriate field. Kind regards, Anna '

'''Q: by patricialewin_1:''' Under Ergänzungsbogen if the first name is the Jewish Old Age Home or the Jewish Orphanage, do I still label that as head and the name of the second person as relative? I have been putting Judisches Waisenhaus, for example, under the Surname and leaving the Given name blank and not using Head and Relative.

:'''A: by Anna Fechter:''' This is an interesting case. We do not need to key the name of the organization but would like to capture the names on the document. Key the names of the individuals and enter Relative in the Relationship field.

'''Q: by patricialewin_1''' As I understand it, the actual images will not be available except ordering through the Holocaust Museum. In some of the Miscellaneous Documents there is a date of death given. Is there any way of capturing this?

:'''A: by Anna Fechter:''' For this project there is not a death date field - so no, there isn't a way to capture that information. The USHMM is great to work with and will be able to send documents, at no cost, to those requesting them.

'''Q: by Sxecano:''' '''Has anyone run across this on Resettlement cards, [[Image:Geb.jpg]]?'''

:'''A:''' Indeed, I have seen this a lot. It states the age instead of the birthdate as "J." is abbreviation for "Jahre" = "years [old]". In some projects you would key the age, but here we are only supposed to key birthdates, so you mark it blank. '''-Ramona''' 19 January 2012

==Suggestions/Additions==
I am new to this project, so forgive me if my question had been addressed earlier:
1) I have yet to come across an ID number on the "Kennkarten Nr." line. The Fragebogen/Erganzungsbogen (ie: "F and E") documents that I am getting have a variety of numbers scribbled at top and/or written in one of the lower lines under "Vfg." or "W.A" or in the lower box 'Audenthalt in Krakau box"--- are these numbers supposed to be keyed in the ID section, somewhere else, or just ignored?

2) Frequently "Occupation" is listed on the "F and E" docs, but there is no place to key it in, yet on the Household list doc where the occupation key is only the children are listed...... does that matter?

3) Please clarify what to key in the backs of documents--- unclear what the verdict is for the F and E's that have info on #8 on, and then I have seen backs of residence requests and others with lengthy notes all in german: are they "misc no data"?

thanks so much for the opportunity to contribute to this important project!

Joyce

'''A:''' 1) If there is no definate stamp with "ID card issued" with a large five digit number looking like 05678 and an issue date above ignore every other number and date.

2) We do not key occupation on F and E's, only on the household lists. There may be a spouse and adult children and other relatives listed. Only key occupation on the household list if you have the complete image. If the image is seperated and you only have the second half, starting with occupation key "image with no data".--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 17:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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'''Feel free to add to or edit information in this discussion tab as necessary. Please take time to become familiar with the [http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_Keying_Standards General Keying Standards] and be sure to read all instructions on the main project page. (Please note that in case of a discrepancy, project level instructions always trump general keying standards.)'''
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== Extra Keying Helps==
 
http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Polish_Handwriting_Helps

On the Ergänzungs- and Fragebogen there is a section where it states whether the application for an ID card is successful or not. If "abgelehnt" (denied) is marked, there will be no ID card number or an ID card issue date. It means that the persons are being resettled. An ID Card is only issued when approval is given to persons to remain in Kraków. In that case there is a large square stamp on the Frage- and Ergänzungsbogen with a 5 digit number and the issue date. In many cases there is also the signature of the person collecting the ID card. So far (Krakow Part 3) I have not seen any documents where an ID card was issued. The fields should be left blank.

'''Some keyers entered the wrong information in those fields.'''--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''From Krakow part 2''' 
 I have just begun to arbitrate these records and notice recurrent problems, some of which have been mentioned before:

1. Please do not put Jude or Judin as a prefix (it means Jew or Jewess)

2. Please do not put a 0 before a number as in a date.

3. Janner should be keyed as Januar

4. A number of miscellaneous documents and residence requests look similar but are not identical and should be keyed

5. '''Do not key the signature of the German official at the bottom of some miscellaneous documents'''.

6. '''Key only what is seen on that image, for example do not enter a name that was on a previous image but is not on the present one.'''

:I am hoping that this will help others and make the arbitration easier.

:Patricia Lewin

7. Do not create sections for the household members list. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

8. '''Remember on Residence Request documents to make sure they are exactly the same if you mark them as a duplicate image.'''

9a. Someone is keying documents that have names and dates on as cover pages. These should be miscellaneous and the information entered with the exception of the second pages of the Ergänzungsbogen and Fragebogen, which are '''cover pages'''.

b. Household member lists: For images where the left and right side pages have been separated, only the left side page (the side that lists the names), should be classified as a "Household Member List." The right-side page should be classified as "Image with no data."

10. '''International characters: '''Some keyers use characters from the international character board, that are not part of the German or Polish language. "n" with a long line above it signifies "nn". A "u" with a mark above it, simply differentiate "u" from "n". Please do not use the "u" with a bend line. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

11.  '''Duplicate image is '''when the same document is shown twice in a row. Some keyers marking "residence requests" as duplicates when almost all the information on the documents are the same although they are different documents. One documents shows the ID card number the other does not.

12. ''''Document type:''' the difference between "cover page" and "image with no data" is that the "cover page" is retained as a record even we do not key from it. A researcher can still see it by scrolling backwards or forwards. The "image with no data" is '''not  '''retained. 

:I mark all second pages and back of cards where no information is keyed from as "cover page". The only time I use "image with no data" is for a blank image or at the beginning of a microfilm, where the first images contain microfilm storage information. *

:'''Sxecano:''' '''Example of image that should be marked as cover page,[[Image:Coverpage.jpg|thumb|center|200px]]''' 
 
 
*'''The above explanation is correct, however because the images for the USHMM projects will not be available on Ancestry whether a document is categorized as a Cover page, Image with no data, or Duplicate is not as much of as issue as making sure we are keying the correct records. Only the indexes are available to be searched on Ancestry. For an example of a live USHMM database [http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2356 click here.][[User:Annafechter|Annafechter]] 15:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 
===Second page of Erganzübogen and Fragebogen form (they're cover pages)===
'''Q''': What do I enter when there is a ditto mark, indicating the same answer as above? I came across this in the Erganzungsbogen form for the Birth Country.

:'''A:''' Enter the data as above. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 02:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

''Q:''' How do we classify the second page of Ergänzungsbogen form type? 

:'''A:''' I have been arbitrating these as cover pages, as the second page is not shown on the Wiki. We do not key anything from it. I have been choosing cover page for all the other images, that we do not key, because the images is kept and can be seen when researching. If you choose "image with no date", the images is lost. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

'''Q:''' I had asked Support about the questions relating to the second pages. Here are my questions: 1. Should the second page of the Fragebogen or/and Ergänzungsbogen with the signature of the persons concerned be keyed as Miscellaneous or as Cover page etc? 2.Should the second page of the ID card (Kennkarte)be keyed if it only has the birth date of the primary person and there are no children listed on the page? Here is the reply: 1) The instructions on the project say "Records or documents that do not fall into one of the other pre-defined form types, but have names that should be keyed on them, should be classified as "Miscellaneous Documents." so I would say to key it as a Miscellaneous Document type. 2) If you've already keyed the person once and there are no other names on the image then there isn't anything else to key. If there are other names then key the names. This is not what I was doing. So I am now changing to this. '''''PatriciaLewin''''' 25 Oct 2011

'''Again question:''' Do I understand you correctly for 2): if there is only the birthdate for the name that was on the image before (no children) we should key as "cover page"?'''-Ramona''' 16 January 2012

''':A:''' Yes, this is a cover page. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 16:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

'''Q:''' This is my first batch of records for this project, and I am unsure how to proceed.  I keyed in data from Erganzungsbogen, and there appears to be a page 2?  Page one ends with question #7, and page 2 starts with question #8, but there is no option to select page 2 of this form?

:'''A:''' The second page of the questionnaire would be classified as a Cover page. -- [[User:Wiedwoman|Wiedwoman]] 02:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

'''Q:''' The Fragebogen or/and Ergänzungsbogen have a second page with the signature of the persons concerned. Some keyers have been using Misc. and have been keying the names they could find on that page. As I understand it we do not key anything from this page. I have been choosing the form "cover page". Is that correct? My second question is concerning the second page of ID cards. It has the birth date of the person on it but not the name and sometimes the children's names. As we only key from the page what we see, should we key just the date of birth, but not the name? Of course if children are listed at the bottom they must be keyed with name and date of birth. Thank you for your help. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

:'''A: By Anna Fechter (in email)''' Yes, they should be "Cover pages". We are only keying the first page of both the Erganzüngsbogen and Fragebogen. The signature on the back of the page is the person who administered the questionnaire so we don't want to capture it. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 16:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC) 
I know there has been some confusion, we appreciate your patience. We have also clarified this internally. [[User:Annafechter|Annafechter]] 17:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Q: It says that the ID cards might have a second page. Are we to index from the second page or just mark as Cover Page. On mine, it has the name on the 1st page, and the dob, etc., on the second.

===Everything else===

'''Q: '''The image set I am working on shows the person's name as Siebel Chaskel r. Fenster. On a document with the signature, it is signed Chaskel Siebel r. Fenster. I cannot find what this "r." refers to. Please advise how to enter the "r. Fenster". Thank you!

:'''A:''' r - recta, English rect, but I don't know what it means. I would key it as seen. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 13:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

:'''A2:''' The name after "recte" is the person's "real" surname, in the eyes of the civil authorities. There is occasional discussion of this topic on JewishGen mailing lists. The situation was often that the parents had a religious marriage, but not a civil marriage. A child may have been known by the father's surname, but the civil authorities considered the child illegitimate and recorded the mother's surname as the "correct" name for the child. Mitch

:'''A3:''' ''''from Anna:'''' 'I apologize for there being such a delay in my reply. I have neglected my online messaging. :( In regard to which surname. Use the first one listed (In your example I believe this would be Wolf), and then if there is an Alias or Maiden name field enter additional surnames in the appropriate field. Kind regards, Anna '

'''Q: by patricialewin_1:''' Under Ergänzungsbogen if the first name is the Jewish Old Age Home or the Jewish Orphanage, do I still label that as head and the name of the second person as relative? I have been putting Judisches Waisenhaus, for example, under the Surname and leaving the Given name blank and not using Head and Relative.

:'''A: by Anna Fechter:''' This is an interesting case. We do not need to key the name of the organization but would like to capture the names on the document. Key the names of the individuals and enter Relative in the Relationship field.

'''Q: by patricialewin_1''' As I understand it, the actual images will not be available except ordering through the Holocaust Museum. In some of the Miscellaneous Documents there is a date of death given. Is there any way of capturing this?

:'''A: by Anna Fechter:''' For this project there is not a death date field - so no, there isn't a way to capture that information. The USHMM is great to work with and will be able to send documents, at no cost, to those requesting them.

'''Q: by Sxecano:''' '''Has anyone run across this on Resettlement cards, [[Image:Geb.jpg]]?'''

:'''A:''' Indeed, I have seen this a lot. It states the age instead of the birthdate as "J." is abbreviation for "Jahre" = "years [old]". In some projects you would key the age, but here we are only supposed to key birthdates, so you mark it blank. '''-Ramona''' 19 January 2012

==Suggestions/Additions==
I am new to this project, so forgive me if my question had been addressed earlier:
1) I have yet to come across an ID number on the "Kennkarten Nr." line. The Fragebogen/Erganzungsbogen (ie: "F and E") documents that I am getting have a variety of numbers scribbled at top and/or written in one of the lower lines under "Vfg." or "W.A" or in the lower box 'Audenthalt in Krakau box"--- are these numbers supposed to be keyed in the ID section, somewhere else, or just ignored?

2) Frequently "Occupation" is listed on the "F and E" docs, but there is no place to key it in, yet on the Household list doc where the occupation key is only the children are listed...... does that matter?

3) Please clarify what to key in the backs of documents--- unclear what the verdict is for the F and E's that have info on #8 on, and then I have seen backs of residence requests and others with lengthy notes all in german: are they "misc no data"?

thanks so much for the opportunity to contribute to this important project!

Joyce

'''A:''' 1) If there is no definate stamp with "ID card issued" with a large five digit number looking like 05678 and an issue date above ignore every other number and date.

2) We do not key occupation on F and E's, only on the household lists. There may be a spouse and adult children and other relatives listed. Only key occupation on the household list if you have the complete image. If the image is seperated and you only have the second half, starting with occupation key "image with no data".

3)The back of F and E's are keyed as "image with no data". --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 17:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM - Krakow, Poland, Applications for ID Cards for Jews during World War II (Part 3)

Discoveringmyroots — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:55:11 GMT

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== Extra Keying Helps==
 
http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Polish_Handwriting_Helps

On the Ergänzungs- and Fragebogen there is a section where it states whether the application for an ID card is successful or not. If "abgelehnt" (denied) is marked, there will be no ID card number or an ID card issue date. It means that the persons are being resettled. An ID Card is only issued when approval is given to persons to remain in Kraków. In that case there is a large square stamp on the Frage- and Ergänzungsbogen with a 5 digit number and the issue date. In many cases there is also the signature of the person collecting the ID card. So far I have not seen any documents where an ID card was issued. The fields should be left blank.

'''Some keyers entered the wrong information in those fields.'''--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''From Krakow part 2''' 
 I have just begun to arbitrate these records and notice recurrent problems, some of which have been mentioned before:

1. Please do not put Jude or Judin as a prefix (it means Jew or Jewess)

2. Please do not put a 0 before a number as in a date.

3. Janner should be keyed as Januar

4. A number of miscellaneous documents and residence requests look similar but are not identical and should be keyed

5. '''Do not key the signature of the German official at the bottom of some miscellaneous documents'''.

6. '''Key only what is seen on that image, for example do not enter a name that was on a previous image but is not on the present one.'''

:I am hoping that this will help others and make the arbitration easier.

:Patricia Lewin

7. Do not create sections for the household members list. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

8. '''Remember on Residence Request documents to make sure they are exactly the same if you mark them as a duplicate image.'''

9a. Someone is keying documents that have names and dates on as cover pages. These should be miscellaneous and the information entered with the exception of the second pages of the Ergänzungsbogen and Fragebogen, which are '''cover pages'''.

b. Household member lists: For images where the left and right side pages have been separated, only the left side page (the side that lists the names), should be classified as a "Household Member List." The right-side page should be classified as "Image with no data."

10. '''International characters: '''Some keyers use characters from the international character board, that are not part of the German or Polish language. "n" with a long line above it signifies "nn". A "u" with a mark above it, simply differentiate "u" from "n". Please do not use the "u" with a bend line. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

11.  '''Duplicate image is '''when the same document is shown twice in a row. Some keyers marking "residence requests" as duplicates when almost all the information on the documents are the same although they are different documents. One documents shows the ID card number the other does not.

12. ''''Document type:''' the difference between "cover page" and "image with no data" is that the "cover page" is retained as a record even we do not key from it. A researcher can still see it by scrolling backwards or forwards. The "image with no data" is '''not  '''retained. 

:I mark all second pages and back of cards where no information is keyed from as "cover page". The only time I use "image with no data" is for a blank image or at the beginning of a microfilm, where the first images contain microfilm storage information. *

:'''Sxecano:''' '''Example of image that should be marked as cover page,[[Image:Coverpage.jpg|thumb|center|200px]]''' 
 
 
*'''The above explanation is correct, however because the images for the USHMM projects will not be available on Ancestry whether a document is categorized as a Cover page, Image with no data, or Duplicate is not as much of as issue as making sure we are keying the correct records. Only the indexes are available to be searched on Ancestry. For an example of a live USHMM database [http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2356 click here.][[User:Annafechter|Annafechter]] 15:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 
===Second page of Erganzübogen and Fragebogen form (they're cover pages)===
'''Q''': What do I enter when there is a ditto mark, indicating the same answer as above? I came across this in the Erganzungsbogen form for the Birth Country.

:'''A:''' Enter the data as above. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 02:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

''Q:''' How do we classify the second page of Ergänzungsbogen form type? 

:'''A:''' I have been arbitrating these as cover pages, as the second page is not shown on the Wiki. We do not key anything from it. I have been choosing cover page for all the other images, that we do not key, because the images is kept and can be seen when researching. If you choose "image with no date", the images is lost. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

'''Q:''' I had asked Support about the questions relating to the second pages. Here are my questions: 1. Should the second page of the Fragebogen or/and Ergänzungsbogen with the signature of the persons concerned be keyed as Miscellaneous or as Cover page etc? 2.Should the second page of the ID card (Kennkarte)be keyed if it only has the birth date of the primary person and there are no children listed on the page? Here is the reply: 1) The instructions on the project say "Records or documents that do not fall into one of the other pre-defined form types, but have names that should be keyed on them, should be classified as "Miscellaneous Documents." so I would say to key it as a Miscellaneous Document type. 2) If you've already keyed the person once and there are no other names on the image then there isn't anything else to key. If there are other names then key the names. This is not what I was doing. So I am now changing to this. '''''PatriciaLewin''''' 25 Oct 2011

'''Again question:''' Do I understand you correctly for 2): if there is only the birthdate for the name that was on the image before (no children) we should key as "cover page"?'''-Ramona''' 16 January 2012

''':A:''' Yes, this is a cover page. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 16:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

'''Q:''' This is my first batch of records for this project, and I am unsure how to proceed.  I keyed in data from Erganzungsbogen, and there appears to be a page 2?  Page one ends with question #7, and page 2 starts with question #8, but there is no option to select page 2 of this form?

:'''A:''' The second page of the questionnaire would be classified as a Cover page. -- [[User:Wiedwoman|Wiedwoman]] 02:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

'''Q:''' The Fragebogen or/and Ergänzungsbogen have a second page with the signature of the persons concerned. Some keyers have been using Misc. and have been keying the names they could find on that page. As I understand it we do not key anything from this page. I have been choosing the form "cover page". Is that correct? My second question is concerning the second page of ID cards. It has the birth date of the person on it but not the name and sometimes the children's names. As we only key from the page what we see, should we key just the date of birth, but not the name? Of course if children are listed at the bottom they must be keyed with name and date of birth. Thank you for your help. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

:'''A: By Anna Fechter (in email)''' Yes, they should be "Cover pages". We are only keying the first page of both the Erganzüngsbogen and Fragebogen. The signature on the back of the page is the person who administered the questionnaire so we don't want to capture it. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 16:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC) 
I know there has been some confusion, we appreciate your patience. We have also clarified this internally. [[User:Annafechter|Annafechter]] 17:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Q: It says that the ID cards might have a second page. Are we to index from the second page or just mark as Cover Page. On mine, it has the name on the 1st page, and the dob, etc., on the second.

===Everything else===

'''Q: '''The image set I am working on shows the person's name as Siebel Chaskel r. Fenster. On a document with the signature, it is signed Chaskel Siebel r. Fenster. I cannot find what this "r." refers to. Please advise how to enter the "r. Fenster". Thank you!

:'''A:''' r - recta, English rect, but I don't know what it means. I would key it as seen. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 13:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

:'''A2:''' The name after "recte" is the person's "real" surname, in the eyes of the civil authorities. There is occasional discussion of this topic on JewishGen mailing lists. The situation was often that the parents had a religious marriage, but not a civil marriage. A child may have been known by the father's surname, but the civil authorities considered the child illegitimate and recorded the mother's surname as the "correct" name for the child. Mitch

:'''A3:''' ''''from Anna:'''' 'I apologize for there being such a delay in my reply. I have neglected my online messaging. :( In regard to which surname. Use the first one listed (In your example I believe this would be Wolf), and then if there is an Alias or Maiden name field enter additional surnames in the appropriate field. Kind regards, Anna '

'''Q: by patricialewin_1:''' Under Ergänzungsbogen if the first name is the Jewish Old Age Home or the Jewish Orphanage, do I still label that as head and the name of the second person as relative? I have been putting Judisches Waisenhaus, for example, under the Surname and leaving the Given name blank and not using Head and Relative.

:'''A: by Anna Fechter:''' This is an interesting case. We do not need to key the name of the organization but would like to capture the names on the document. Key the names of the individuals and enter Relative in the Relationship field.

'''Q: by patricialewin_1''' As I understand it, the actual images will not be available except ordering through the Holocaust Museum. In some of the Miscellaneous Documents there is a date of death given. Is there any way of capturing this?

:'''A: by Anna Fechter:''' For this project there is not a death date field - so no, there isn't a way to capture that information. The USHMM is great to work with and will be able to send documents, at no cost, to those requesting them.

'''Q: by Sxecano:''' '''Has anyone run across this on Resettlement cards, [[Image:Geb.jpg]]?'''

:'''A:''' Indeed, I have seen this a lot. It states the age instead of the birthdate as "J." is abbreviation for "Jahre" = "years [old]". In some projects you would key the age, but here we are only supposed to key birthdates, so you mark it blank. '''-Ramona''' 19 January 2012

==Suggestions/Additions==
I am new to this project, so forgive me if my question had been addressed earlier:
1) I have yet to come across an ID number on the "Kennkarten Nr." line. The Fragebogen/Erganzungsbogen (ie: "F and E") documents that I am getting have a variety of numbers scribbled at top and/or written in one of the lower lines under "Vfg." or "W.A" or in the lower box 'Audenthalt in Krakau box"--- are these numbers supposed to be keyed in the ID section, somewhere else, or just ignored?

2) Frequently "Occupation" is listed on the "F and E" docs, but there is no place to key it in, yet on the Household list doc where the occupation key is only the children are listed...... does that matter?

3) Please clarify what to key in the backs of documents--- unclear what the verdict is for the F and E's that have info on #8 on, and then I have seen backs of residence requests and others with lengthy notes all in german: are they "misc no data"?

thanks so much for the opportunity to contribute to this important project!

Joyce

'''A:''' 1) If there is no definate stamp with "ID card issued" with a large five digit number looking like 05678 and an issue date above ignore every other number and date.

2) We do not key occupation on F and E's, only on the household lists. There may be a spouse and adult children and other relatives listed. Only key occupation on the household list if you have the complete image. If the image is seperated and you only have the second half, starting with occupation key "image with no data".

3)The back of F and E's are keyed as "image with no data". --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 17:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' '''

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM – Poland, Lòdz Ghetto Register Books, 1939-1944 (Part 1)

Discoveringmyroots — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:34:49 GMT

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Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM – Poland, Lòdz Ghetto Register Books, 1939-1944 (Part 1)

Discoveringmyroots — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:14:48 GMT

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Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM – Poland, Lòdz Ghetto Register Books, 1939-1944 (Part 1)

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Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:57:23 GMT

Discoveringmyroots:

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== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 

Here is a link to view the Polish alphabet with Polish international characters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet

The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations, do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." if it is not written that way? I have seen many variations written, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Litzmannstadt Getto (most of the time this is hyphenated, but I have not been using the hyphen because of the above instructions), name or number of street, then N or No or Nr ... W or Wohn or Wohnung (sometimes there is an N after Wohn and but sometimes there is not) and then the number? In other words, key as seen? Except for periods and ampersands, it looks like we can use all other punctuation according to the general keying standards., right? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.

'''Polish Grammar'''

Q: Names are written differently in Polish depending on the context in which they are used. Should I change the form of the name to the Nominative case?

A: Key the names in the form written on the document. This applies primarily to the documents that are entirely in Polish, for documents written in Both Polish and German, prioritize the German version. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 02:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika

 I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

'''A:''' We use the death record form. The street name has been keyed differently by many keyers. I personally would not key the =. But in reviewing I have taken the = out, but excepted any other version. (key as seen) --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Elisabeth. I also have another question regarding this same death record with 12 people listed. I have only been keying the parent's last names if it is written next to the parent's names. I noticed that some keyers are keying in the maiden name when it is listed for both the parent's last names. Can we make this assumption? Or should we only key last names when they are written next to the parent's names? --Rebecca 23 October 2012

'''A:''' I have only been accepting the married name when it is actually written and when it says "Eheleute"...., because if it says "Eheleute the couple were married in a registry office. If they only had a jewish rituell ceremony it was not accepted by the authorities. In Germany when Napoleon occupied Prussia, he seperated state and church. To this day churches are not allowed to marry you, if you are not married in the registry office first. Religous ceremonies are not accepted as legal.

'''Q:''' I have just come across a Wydaz (list) numbered with men's names on the left and women's names on the right and then a city all on the same line. I am calling this a miscellaneous record. However, can I assume that these are husbands and wives or do I just key each name on a new line? Patricia, November 14, 2012

''':A:''' Since I have No Official support ruling on this, I have to revert to the keying standards and suggest that inferences are discouraged. If there are no column headings, nor other information to suggest that the people are married I would not assume that they are. --[[User:Paulmd199|Paulmd199]] 06:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Q: I am now seeing records that obviously deal with divorce but are not the final divorce documents. I have been calling these miscellaneous. Is this correct? When it is a final divorce document, then I use the divorce form.
Second question- on the record headed Bescheingung, where it states that a couple were married religiously, I have been using the marriage form. However, I have not put the date of the document as the marriage date as I think that this is simple a statement of an earlier marriage. Is this correct? Patricia 3 Dec 20112

A: from Support
Thank you for contacting Ancestry.com regarding the keying in of the records.

From your description it appears that you are keying-in the information correctly.

If you need additional assistance, please feel free to reply to this message or contact us by phone at 1-800-ANCESTRY (1-800-262-3787) from 10am to 10pm EST, Monday through Sunday.

Best regards,

Kevin
Customer Solutions Associate
Ancestry.com

== Suggestions/Additions ==

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Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:15:34 GMT

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== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 

Here is a link to view the Polish alphabet with Polish international characters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet

Here is a link to the Lodz Ghetto street names in Polish. It is an incomplete list but at least there are some of the names listed. http://books.google.com/books?id=d1-U17adWKIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Dobroszycki,+Lucjan,+ed.+The+Chronicle+of+the+Lodz+Ghetto&source=bl&ots=8TKnmKZFei&sig=ALSJxGPv0VCwbm4Lor-F5dkUhdc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BK6EULirMYWuigLTxoHgBg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Dobroszycki%2C%20Lucjan%2C%20ed.%20The%20Chronicle%20of%20the%20Lodz%20Ghetto&f=false

The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations, do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." if it is not written that way? I have seen many variations written, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Litzmannstadt Getto (most of the time this is hyphenated, but I have not been using the hyphen because of the above instructions), name or number of street, then N or No or Nr ... W or Wohn or Wohnung (sometimes there is an N after Wohn and but sometimes there is not) and then the number? In other words, key as seen? Except for periods and ampersands, it looks like we can use all other punctuation according to the general keying standards., right? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

'''A:''' We use the death record form. The street name has been keyed differently by many keyers. I personally would not key the =. But in reviewing I have taken the = out, but excepted any other version. (key as seen) --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Elisabeth. I also have another question regarding this same death record with 12 people listed. I have only been keying the parent's last names if it is written next to the parent's names. I noticed that some keyers are keying in the maiden name when it is listed for both the parent's last names. Can we make this assumption? Or should we only key last names when they are written next to the parent's names? --Rebecca 23 October 2012

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:30:38 GMT

Discoveringmyroots: /* Extra Keying Helps */

'''Feel free to add to or edit information in this discussion tab as necessary. Please take time to become familiar with the [http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_Keying_Standards General Keying Standards] and be sure to read all instructions on the main project page. (Please note that in case of a discrepancy, project level instructions always trump general keying standards.)'''
__TOC__
== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 

Here is a link to view the Polish alphabet with Polish international characters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet

Here is a link to the Lodz Ghetto street names in Polish. It is an incomplete list but at least there are some of the names listed. http://books.google.com/books?id=d1-U17adWKIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Dobroszycki,+Lucjan,+ed.+The+Chronicle+of+the+Lodz+Ghetto&source=bl&ots=8TKnmKZFei&sig=ALSJxGPv0VCwbm4Lor-F5dkUhdc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BK6EULirMYWuigLTxoHgBg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Dobroszycki%2C%20Lucjan%2C%20ed.%20The%20Chronicle%20of%20the%20Lodz%20Ghetto&f=false

The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations, do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." if it is not written that way? I have seen many variations written, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Litzmannstadt Getto (most of the time this is hyphenated, but I have not been using the hyphen because of the above instructions), name or number of street, then N or No or Nr ... W or Wohn or Wohnung (sometimes there is an N after Wohn and but sometimes there is not) and then the number? In other words, key as seen? Except for periods and ampersands, it looks like we can use all other punctuation according to the general keying standards., right? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

'''A:''' We use the death record form. The street name has been keyed differently by many keyers. I personally would not key the =. But in reviewing I have taken the = out, but excepted any other version. (key as seen) --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:26:50 GMT

Discoveringmyroots: /* Extra Keying Helps */

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== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 

Here is a link to view the Polish alphabet with Polish international characters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet

Here is a link to the Lodz Ghetto street names in Polish. http://books.google.com/books?id=d1-U17adWKIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Dobroszycki,+Lucjan,+ed.+The+Chronicle+of+the+Lodz+Ghetto&source=bl&ots=8TKnmKZFei&sig=ALSJxGPv0VCwbm4Lor-F5dkUhdc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BK6EULirMYWuigLTxoHgBg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Dobroszycki%2C%20Lucjan%2C%20ed.%20The%20Chronicle%20of%20the%20Lodz%20Ghetto&f=false

The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations, do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." if it is not written that way? I have seen many variations written, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Litzmannstadt Getto (most of the time this is hyphenated, but I have not been using the hyphen because of the above instructions), name or number of street, then N or No or Nr ... W or Wohn or Wohnung (sometimes there is an N after Wohn and but sometimes there is not) and then the number? In other words, key as seen? Except for periods and ampersands, it looks like we can use all other punctuation according to the general keying standards., right? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

'''A:''' We use the death record form. The street name has been keyed differently by many keyers. I personally would not key the =. But in reviewing I have taken the = out, but excepted any other version. (key as seen) --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:43:30 GMT

Discoveringmyroots: /* Extra Keying Helps */

'''Feel free to add to or edit information in this discussion tab as necessary. Please take time to become familiar with the [http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_Keying_Standards General Keying Standards] and be sure to read all instructions on the main project page. (Please note that in case of a discrepancy, project level instructions always trump general keying standards.)'''
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== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 

Here is a link to view the Polish alphabet with Polish international characters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_alphabet

The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations, do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." if it is not written that way? I have seen many variations written, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Litzmannstadt Getto (most of the time this is hyphenated, but I have not been using the hyphen because of the above instructions), name or number of street, then N or No or Nr ... W or Wohn or Wohnung (sometimes there is an N after Wohn and but sometimes there is not) and then the number? In other words, key as seen? Except for periods and ampersands, it looks like we can use all other punctuation according to the general keying standards., right? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:53:09 GMT

Discoveringmyroots: /* Extra Keying Helps */

'''Feel free to add to or edit information in this discussion tab as necessary. Please take time to become familiar with the [http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_Keying_Standards General Keying Standards] and be sure to read all instructions on the main project page. (Please note that in case of a discrepancy, project level instructions always trump general keying standards.)'''
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== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 
The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations, do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." if it is not written that way? I have seen many variations written, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Litzmannstadt Getto (most of the time this is hyphenated, but I have not been using the hyphen because of the above instructions), name or number of street, then N or No or Nr ... W or Wohn or Wohnung (sometimes there is an N after Wohn and but sometimes there is not) and then the number? In other words, key as seen? Except for periods and ampersands, it looks like we can use all other punctuation according to the general keying standards., right? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 00:21:46 GMT

Discoveringmyroots: /* Extra Keying Helps */

'''Feel free to add to or edit information in this discussion tab as necessary. Please take time to become familiar with the [http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_Keying_Standards General Keying Standards] and be sure to read all instructions on the main project page. (Please note that in case of a discrepancy, project level instructions always trump general keying standards.)'''
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== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 
The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations , do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." when it is not written that way?? Oftentimes, I have seen many variations, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Wohn and then the number? (When it is written that way, of course.) Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
''' 

'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

Discoveringmyroots — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 00:16:15 GMT

Discoveringmyroots: /* Extra Keying Helps */

'''Feel free to add to or edit information in this discussion tab as necessary. Please take time to become familiar with the [http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_Archives_Keying_Standards General Keying Standards] and be sure to read all instructions on the main project page. (Please note that in case of a discrepancy, project level instructions always trump general keying standards.)'''
__TOC__
== Extra Keying Helps==

[[Image:LodzStreetDirectory.jpg]]

 
The names are mostly spelled in polish. Please use the polish accents. Don't rely too much on the drop down list. Very often the accents have not been used.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a batch of images showing "Gericht..." (court...) "Auskunft" (information), other documents and sometimes just pieces of paper with a name and date on it. Some keyers have chosen the form type "image with no data" or other form types. This is wrong. The form type used should be "Miscellaneous Data".

Most images have at least one recorded name and mostly also a document date, although the data is sometimes difficult to find and also difficult to read.
Sometimes there are also long letters in Polish. Please try to find the relevant information.
I often use Google Translate to find my way. It is tideous. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After keying death for a while all of a sudden some lists turn up without a header. I keyed these as miscellaneous and entered all the names I could see. Now I have a similar list with the heading:
Date:,
Nr:,
Name d. Best. = Name des Bestatters (name of the funeral director),
Name d. Verst. = Name des Verstorbenen (name of the deceased.
I key these as death records.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The last three rolls ending with -3, -4, -5 are all deaths.

Roll -4, -5
we only key key records for the primary person's death, '''not''' the informants. You can recognise this by the words: "und zeigten folgenden Todesfall an." The name is written much larger. We do '''not''' key the informant's information.

There seems to be much confusion about keying the address and many variations appear. Let's agree to key: "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...."

In the project instructions, it says the following about keying addresses for death records: The address will be the "gegenwärtige anschrift", or current address of the primary person. Key the address as seen. Do not expand abbreviations , do not correct misspellings. (Example: don't expand and fix "Hohensteinerstr" to "Hohensteinstrasse") Do not key any previous addresses or "fruhere anschrift". Why would we agree to key "Litzmannstadt Getto, and then the name or number of the street N ... Wohnung N...." ?? Oftentimes, I have seen many variations, but according to instructions, shouldn't it be keyed as seen, for example, Wohn and then the number? Rebecca 17:14 3 October 2012

When it says Eheleute .... that is the husbands surname and the wife's surname. If it says for the wife "geborene ....", the maiden name takes presidence over the married name.

Some keyers do not use the special characters like ł and ó, just to name the most common one.

There are two death records on one double page.

Roll -3 is a list of deaths. Some are difficult to read.

Please enter the address, which can be found left of the date of death column. The street names are sometimes abbreviated with a full stop (period). Do '''not''' key the full stop (period).
Here is a list of some possible street names.
Alexanderhof,
Bleichergasse (Blei),
Cranach,
Hanseaten,
Hohensteiner (Hohenstein),
Holz,
Insel,
Kelm,
Kranich,
Kräuter,
Matrosen,
Pfeffer,
Scheunen,
Siegfried,
Sulzfelder,

--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a list of streets with the German names in the Lodz Ghetto: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/streets_ghetto.htm
Patricia Lewin 14 June 2012
Tank you --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

When keying death you may come across the word "Totgeburt" in the given name field. This means "still birth". Just leave the given name field blank.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a new roll which shows indexes which show the date of death, surname, given name, and address. This is a summary of all death records, listed in date and alphabetical order. Please choose miscellaneous for this. Later on in this roll the images are "Totenschein II, which are straight forward, but can be difficult to read. Interesting, at the bottom is the cause of death.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

'''Maiden names'''
Only key maiden names if there is a named field for it. '''We do not key maiden names in the main name field as geborene ...''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Common Keying Errors Found by Reviewers ==
 
'''Do not create sections.
'''Do not use Full Stop (Period)
.''' --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Would the arbitrator for this project please list the common errors? Thank you. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 07:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
'''

'''Kind '''(Child) is not a Beruf (Occupation) but a relationship. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some keyers are using the Sterbedatum (date of death) as the address (Anschrift). Further down is a line called: Anschrift. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 12:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

MISCELLANEOUS RECORD Death List: Thanks for explanation of miscellaneous record "death" list with no headings. I was incorrectly keying the address as birthplace and the death date as record date. I am so sorry! No wonder my accuracy went from Excellent to Needs Improvement! I couldn't figure what was wrong, but finally found the notations about these miscellaneous pages, which indicated it is a death list (not an intake list as I'd thought). Please, would you add this pertinent information to the Project Page under directions for Miscellaneous Records? It would have saved a lot of time on the arbitrators part if this information was up front, and I could have keyed it correctly from the start. -- Linda Windmoeller, 03 Sep 2012

== Questions and Answers ==
 '''If you have a keying question that is not answered on the project page or in any of the information above, click “EDIT” and ask it here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.
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'''Marriage Records'''
the Marriage banns show a date range. I could not find any instructions specifically dealing with this. I use the most recent date as this was used on previous projects. Is this correct? --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just received the answer from AWAP:
Dear Elisabeth,

We appreciate your message.

We apologize for any confusion. Please key the ending date in the span.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Shawna
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Elisabeth Power) 03/04/2012 08:55 AM
Hear help desk,

The marriage records for that project often have a time span for the marriage banns like 15.12. - 30.12.1940. Which date shall we use, the first or the latter? Please advise.

Thank you
Elisabeth Power

I have asked Support but not yet received an answer. The question was on the marriage form headed An der Rabbinats-Kanzlei and that also says Trauungsregister, whether the date at the bottom next to Litzmannstadt Getto should be keyed as the banns date and place of banns. It is not the marriage date but the date that the marriage was registered beforehand.
Patricia Lewin
I just received the answer from AWAP;
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry regarding the Lodz ghetto records.
Yes, please enter this date for the Marriage Banns date.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Crissy
Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
May 7, 2012

I am now keying death records. I have been entering only the name and information of the deceased. Should I also be keying the names of the two people who I assume are informants?
Patricia Lewin 5/14/12
I got a response from AWAP:
However, if there are names at the top and they aren't the same as the parents names, then they aren't required to be entered on there for that record. Since they are required for the record, it may create some issues if you do enter them in since you would have to enter their names into a new row, which would make them appear as if they were deceased as well and could count against you, so I would recommend not entering them into the information that you key.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
In answer to a second question-
Dear Patricia,

Thank you for contacting the Ancestry World Archives Project team regarding two records on one image.

If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there.

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know.

Tim
World Archives Project Support Team
http://www.ancestry.com/worldarchivesproject
Customer (Patricia Lewin) 05/14/2012 02:49 PM

A second question- when there are two separate death records on two separate pages but on one image I have been adding a new section for the second record. Is that correct?
'''A:''' We do not create sections in this project. --[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 08:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Erika Brooks -- 7/17/2012 04:45 PM
I am confused. Tim at World Archives Project Support Team states above "If the two death records are both on the same image, then you should simply be added a second section for the same image and keying in the information from the second record into there." However, Elizabeth answered Patricia's question as "We do not create sections in this project." Could someone let us know which one of these answers is correct? The death images are taken from a book which has been laid flat and copied. This results in two pages for each image. In other projects this would simply be considered another record. However, based on Tim's response each new person (page) would be entered as an individual section. I will hold off on continuing with these images and wait on a response.

'''A:''' Support has already appologised for giving the wrong info. We only create section when we use headers and the headers change for each section. In this project no headers are used. Do not create sections for this project. I have taken them all out when I was reviewing/arbitrating
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Elisabeth I was not able to locate the correction. I appreciate your help and dedication. Erika
== Suggestions/Additions ==

 '''If you have a suggestion or would like to make an addition to the project page, click “EDIT” and post your suggestion here. (If you click on Rich Editor you won't have to worry about formatting your entry.) Then click “WATCH” at the top right on this page and you will be notified via email when an update has been made.'''''' I am sorry that I did not know that before. I have been keying the first date of the marriage banns. Also for the place I have been keying Sulzfelderstr 23. Is this correct? Patricia Lewin '''

For the place Sulzfelderstr 23 is correct.
--[[User:Elisabeth power|Elisabeth power]] 20:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

On the list where there are 12 people listed and there is a gest. date and a cause of death, do we choose death or misc. forms? I have been keying them as death records. Also for the addresses on this same list of 12 people, do we key as seen? For example, 4=Str 40/12 or should it be keyed differently? --Rebecca

Talk:World Archives Project: USHMM Lodz, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Lodz Ghetto, 1939-1944

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