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3/14/2002 - Archive

•  One of the Irish Questions: Estate Records, Yes or No?

One of the Irish Questions: Estate Records, Yes or No?
There are always Irish questions: Do I have Irish ancestors? Do I research my Irish ancestors? It's supposed to be so difficult. Then, almost every step of the way comes the question of whether to persist, to try another source, or in this case, should I look for estate records?

Estate papers can contain almost anything; the most useful genealogical documents found in them include leases, rent rolls, and maps. Among other potentially valuable documents are deeds, accounts (some with wage books), correspondence, inventories/surveys, militia or yeomanry lists. You will not find mention of the poorest cottars and laborers who usually made their rental agreements with middlemen—tenants and sub-tenants of the landlord.

Getting to Know the Landscape
Genealogical data alone is dry stuff—add the setting, the history, and it becomes interesting. How a landscape changes over time reveals a lot of social and economic history. Did your ancestors, during the 1700s, live in a region characterized by small farms, cattle fattening, dairying, tillage, or the production of linen? Were they in the 20 percent or so of Ireland where there were generally smaller and long-established estates and where radical change, at that time, had little impact? How and where people lived affected living conditions, and, in the next century, determined the impact of the potato famine.

Therefore, with land records, add the landscape; and I recommend doing so through the pages of the Atlas of the Irish Rural Landscape, (F. Aalen, K. Whelan, M. Stout, editors, Cork University Press and University of Toronto Press, 1997). It is a wonderfully constructed investigation, full of maps, facts and social history. The Atlas of the Irish Rural Landscape describes all of these factors, adds contemporary illustrations, plots the data in maps, and explains the why and where of dependency on the potato–in a concise and readable way.

The section on demesnes (manors) explains how they came into being and that the Crown grants which established them often include clauses relating to the establishing and governing of towns.

That took me to another book on my shelf, Irish Towns: A Guide to Sources (W. Nolan and A. Simms, editors, Geography Publications, Dublin, 1998). An entire chapter is devoted to estate records. Modern urban living probably conditions us to think of countryside and town as different places with different records. Not necessarily so, 'country' records may reveal 'town' sources; and in fact estate papers are the best place to find information on some well known towns in Ireland, e.g., the town of Maynooth among the papers of the Earls of Kildare.

Genealogical Value
The interest of historians in estate papers is apparent. What about genealogists? Advice from genealogical books and Web sites on tackling estate records varies from enthusiasm to caution to no mention at all. Those that mention the subject ignore the local history and stress the value of leases, rent rolls and any other lists. There are warnings about the sheer volume of stuff, and the problems of finding anything useful without good finding aids.

Should you consider estate records? That depends on what you want to discover, and whether you know enough to identify the estate; townland is best, parish will do. If all you know is the county of origin the odds are against taking this on; but special circumstances such as a small number of estates in the county, and better than average catalogs of contents, might make the search worth considering.

Landlords can be identified from one or more of several sources, including gazetteers and directories, books of local and regional history, detailed local maps, valuation records. Be sure to find the owner of the estate, and not some middleman or tenant.

Landowners of Ireland (U.H. Hussey de Burgh, 1878) and Landowners in Ireland: Return of Owners of Land of One Acre and Upwards (1876, and GPC 1988) are other suggested resources. The first lists those who owned land worth more than five hundred pounds or bigger than five hundred acres. The second was a government publication including all those (owners and ninety-nine year leaseholders) with one acre or more; organized alphabetically by county, it can effectively 'hide' some major owners with land in several counties.

Locating Information
It gets easier all the time to find brief summaries about estate records collections. Using the Internet, turn to three sites:

Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI)
proni.nics.gov.uk/

Irish Ancestors
scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/index.htm

Historic Manuscripts Commission
www.hmc.gov.uk/

The PRONI site has a section for private collections, which includes historical notes, illustrations and references. Irish Ancestors has select counties and a subsection, Estates, for each. Some of the listings, are extensive and others not yet complete. The information summarizes the contents of the National Archives, the National Library, and published sources. The Historic Manuscripts Commission site, within the National Register of Archives area, has searchable family name and place name indexes.

Check all three Web sites. Some of the largest collections of estate papers are in PRONI and these include references to lands in southern counties. Some of the Dublin collections contain manuscripts about northern estates, and there were many families with estates in England as well, and hence Irish papers are deposited in UK record offices. Don't forget the Family History Library in Salt Lake City–not a lot of material, but it may be what you want.

It's a huge topic, and an interesting one. If you are going to tackle estate records, you'll be better off taking it on seriously with background reading on the landscape and the records, with research into what is stored where, and with a plan.

Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA (Scot) has been researching her British ancestry for thirty years. She founded Interlink Bookshop and Genealogical Services (www.interlinkbookshop.com) in 1988; she currently lectures in Canada and the United States and is president of the Association of Professional Genealogists. You can e-mail Sherry with suggestions for future British genealogy articles at sherryirvine55@myfamily.com. She will not be able to send personal replies, but will feature some questions in upcoming issues of the
Ancestry Daily News. Sherry also regrets that she is unable to assist with personal research. Sherry is also the author of:

Your Scottish Ancestry: A Guide for North Americans

Your English Ancestry: A Guide for North Americans


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